[Energy] New member with generator info
Sage Radachowsky
sage.radachowsky at gmail.com
Mon Nov 7 12:18:03 EST 2011
Thank you for the answers. Puts it in perspective.
I have another idea for moderate levels of power ... we can charge 12V
batteries offsite and carry them in by hand.
Things that I can imagine needing the kilowatt levels of power are
basically heating -- of water, food, and spaces. We do have other options
for these things, like off-site heating, possible food truck help, and the
hot manhole covers that can heat bags of water.
I find an aesthetic and symbolic beauty to not running a generator, but I
surely don't want to impose my opinions on the group, only to express them
as my own.
Thanks again.
Sage
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com>wrote:
> No problem. Im happy to answer questions.
>
> 1). I'm not aware of an ibew generator, so it's different
>
> 2). The funds were raised before there was an OB website. They all came in
> prior to or during the first night of occupation. the fund was specifically
> for a gas generator.
>
> 3). The GA was engaged, and we reached consensus to have "immortal power"
> onsite, and that the funds which had been collected should be allocated to
> a generator. This was prior to our knowledge of not being able to have it
> onsite
>
> Another use for the generator is for temporary use. If we have a larger
> event requiring more power 6000watts is a lot of solar panels.
>
> #peace
>
>
> Thank You!
>
> Matthew Krawitz
> (617) 909-7338
>
> On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Sage Radachowsky <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I got the impression that we had bought a generator, but it seems unlikely
> that we'll be able to use it due to restrictions, and so then there were
> some questions about how we could use the money otherwise. If the
> authorities crack down, I don't see how a generator is going to help us,
> since if they already told us they don't want it here, they'd just storm in
> and remove it. If they've said not to use it and we do use it, it may cause
> them to crack down. I do think any spend or re-spend should go through GA
> approval.
>
> Some other background questions:
>
> 1. Was this the same or different from the IBEW generator?
> 2. Was there a "donate" button for a diesel generator on the Occupy Boston
> website or else how was this raised?
> 3. Was the fundraising and purchase of the generator passed through the GA?
>
> I'm not being contrarian -- just asking to understand the context.
>
> Sage
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure why the focus is on how to reuse money spent.
>>
>> If you want solar panels, why dont we raise money for them, or ask the GA
>> for money from the general fund?
>>
>> I understand wanting to use the money we spent on the generator, but the
>> donors are all Internet based. We cannot ask the donors anything without
>> blessing of the GA, and we may not be playing 'nice' forever with
>> authorities. A diesel generator may be essential for sustaining the
>> occupation going forward if things turn bad in Boston.
>>
>> Thank You!
>>
>> Matthew Krawitz
>> (617) 909-7338
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Sage Radachowsky <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> What form was the fundraising? Perhaps we can contact the donors and
>> ask if they're okay with us changing to renewables .... if it is not
>> possible to contact them, then I would assume they're okay with it, as any
>> reasonable person supporting our cause would probably be.
>>
>> We may have some solar panel donations, I hear, and if we buy them, they
>> are around $3 per watt in these quantities ... then we can buy a couple
>> more charge controllers to squeeze the max power from the panels and
>> protect the batteries, and I think we can install 250 to 400 Watts of solar
>> power for this price -- that is probably only 6 hours per day of good
>> sunlight in our financial canyon, but that is a lot and can light our camp
>> at night with 12 Volt LED lighting!
>>
>> Sage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com>wrote:
>>
>>> If we (GA too) can come to consensus. Great! I don't stand in the way
>>> of anything which we all agree is cool! :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You!
>>>
>>> Matthew Krawitz
>>> (617) 909-7338
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Ted Moallem <ted.moallem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think that returning/selling the diesel generator in order to
>>> fund alternative power generators would betray the trust of the donors.
>>> The objective is a practicable way to power OccBos.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>> On Nov 6, 2011 1:16 PM, "Matthew Krawitz" <matthewk at krawnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The money was raised to directly fund a generator. It was decided at
>>>> the time of purchase by FAWG to not betray the trust of the donors and
>>>> divert funds to other projects.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if it's returnable. I would doubt it though. The total
>>>> cost of the genny was about $1,200.
>>>>
>>>> Thank You!
>>>>
>>>> Matthew Krawitz
>>>> (617) 909-7338
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Sage Radachowsky <
>>>> sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (oops -- Forwarding to the list ... )
>>>>
>>>> Another question -- how much did the generator cost and if we wished to
>>>> use the money for solar panels is it returnable?
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Sage Radachowsky <
>>>> sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Matthew,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks ... I have some questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this the same generator that IBEW was donating? Was there a
>>>>> We-Pay donate button for a diesel generator on the Occupy Boston website
>>>>> for a time? I don't recall it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard the IBEW generator was not going to come in. Not to be a wet
>>>>> blanket, but I was happy about that personally. I want to be as green as
>>>>> possible and use our given resources, and not hear the noise / exhaust of a
>>>>> diesel motor (even if burning biodiesel) ... that is my feeling but not
>>>>> shared by everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can get more details on the IBEW generator today if you like, but
>>>>> will be away from my computer so please call 617 406 8842 if you want
>>>>> me to seek info for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sage
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:44 AM, <dana at occupyboston.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:14:05 -0400 [11/05/2011 04:14:05 PM EST]
>>>>>> From: Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com>
>>>>>> To: dana at occupyboston.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: OB Generator fund
>>>>>> Hi Dana:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 6,000 watt diesel generator purchased with donated funds
>>>>>> boxed and sitting on a pallet in my driveway. I have been told the
>>>>>> fire/police authorities have indicated that NO combustable devices are
>>>>>> permitted on site. I have been working (with very little luck) to find a
>>>>>> way around this "rule".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The funds you're referring to are actually wepay.com (not
>>>>>> kickstarter) accounts, and check out the ocupyboston.org homepage
>>>>>> for info on the wind turbines. The diesel wepay fund is now closed (as we
>>>>>> bought the genny).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just subscribed to the energy list, but it requires moderator
>>>>>> approval... would you please forward this to the list, along with my
>>>>>> contact info so people can ask questions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew Krawitz
>>>>>> @NEFreedomRide - twitter
>>>>>> (617) 909-7338
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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