<p>It is a nice system but rather lite power for our camp. I think we may be better served by more Watts. I don't think that the police would have a problem with a solar panel because it is not a building material.<br>
Sage</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 3, 2011 3:41 PM, "Eric Broadbent" <<a href="mailto:ebroadbent@me.com">ebroadbent@me.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>What do you think of this system?</div><div><br></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><a href="http://www.provantage.com/athenatech-mic-40w~7ATHN03V.htm" target="_blank">http://www.provantage.com/athenatech-mic-40w~7ATHN03V.htm</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>It seems to compare reasonably well with this - on Ed's sundance solar site:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> <a href="http://store.sundancesolar.com/20wadosoenst.html" target="_blank">http://store.sundancesolar.com/20wadosoenst.html</a></span></div>
<div><br></div><div>In thinking about this - I realize that bringing a 3x5 - or larger - PV panel to Dewey Square would arouse the attention of our esteemed public safety officials, who are no doubt there for our protection but nonetheless might judge such a thing unfavorably. So the smaller system you and Ed have put together is really good for that reason.</div>
<div><br></div><div>A 12V battery charging system does allow for some amount of standard-appliance AC power - as Sage has suggested. During the last couple of storms that have knocked out power I've run a sump pump intermittently, a freezer for about 30 minutes every 6 hours, and a couple of lights and laptops continuously off of one 12V battery with a 1200W inverter. I had to charge the battery during this time to be able to run all this, and I don't know how many amp-hours or overall power drain it was, but a good charge controller should help understand this.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway, it sounds like there will be a bike-gen build tomorrow as well as the delivery of this 30W charging system - so if folks can let us know the timing of these things that would allow others to participate and learn. Thanks very much.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Eric B.</div><br><div><div>On Dec 3, 2011, at 9:58 AM, <a href="mailto:roy.morrison114@yahoo.com" target="_blank">roy.morrison114@yahoo.com</a> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
The major issue with PV use is battery storage size in amp-hours and power output of the collectors to meet the load.<br><br>To run stuff like computers will quickly drain the fully charged battery of Ed's system that could fully recharge 8 cell phone batteries a day - or run some low wattage LED. Useful, but not huge.<br>
<br>For bigger stuff Ed can design systems from components, bigger batteries, bigger panels as well as sell ready made commercial rigs.<br><br> He's the man and has been designing and building systems for years. He put together the occupy rig from stuff laying around his shop in a few hours.<br>
<br>You can get some sense of what he can offer on his website <a href="http://www.sundancesolar.com" target="_blank">www.sundancesolar.com</a><br><br>Roy<br><br>Roy<div>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry</div><hr><div>
<b>From: </b> Eric Broadbent <<a href="mailto:ebroadbent@me.com" target="_blank">ebroadbent@me.com</a>>
</div><div><b>Date: </b>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:03:30 -0500</div><div><b>To: </b>Roy Morrison<<a href="mailto:roy.morrison114@yahoo.com" target="_blank">roy.morrison114@yahoo.com</a>>; Dana Moser<<a href="mailto:dana@occupyboston.org" target="_blank">dana@occupyboston.org</a>></div>
<div><b>Cc: </b><<a href="mailto:energy@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank">energy@lists.occupyboston.org</a>></div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Energy] 30 watt pv system completed</div><div><br></div><div>Very cool.</div>
<div>When do you think Ed will have the parts list to share?</div><div><br></div><div>So this is a battery-charging system, which is what I had thought was the primary goal, but then I re-read an email from Sage who was asking for 100W panels - has an inverter, and is aiming at powering normal AC type stuff (in the media tent, etc.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>What is needed most if we are going to set up a supply-chain of sorts?</div><div>Should there be some of both kinds of systems?</div><div><br></div><div>I called Home Despot to see if they have panels in the store, and they don't. You have to order online and they are delivered.</div>
<div>Also contacted a solar supply warehouse in Gardner, and they are getting back to me in the morning with prices - but I need to give them a panel spec, which goes back to the question.</div><div>Same thing if we want people to donate $ for systems which will be purchased from a supplier.</div>
<div>A nationally known online site is willing to try to set this up (for other Occupy sites too) if the panels are US-made - which seems completely in-line with the goals of Occupy.</div><div>(Buying cheap stuff from overseas is not in anyone's interests...)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Sorry - I know this is a lot to raise, but the basic question is what is the kind of system that makes the most sense to assemble (and ask for donations for)?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>
-Eric B.</div><div><br></div><div><div>On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Roy Morrison wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
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<div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><div><span>Ed Bender of Sundance Solar in NH has fabricated a prototype 30 watt PV system charging a battery in a small cooler box with voltage controller and two plug in ports rigged for cell phone charging. (See photos sentseparately.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>The system uses a very durable flexible solar panel designed for Marine applications. The prototype has the panel hard wired into the cooler. Subsequent versions will have a plug in design to allow the panel to be disconnected.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Ed has put instructions for operation inside the lid of the cooler box</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>The cooler box makes the system moderately weather resistant. The box should be
kept in a tent or under cover for charging, The panel is
very, very durable and in full sun should charge the battery in four hours. </span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I will deliver the system on Sunday afternoon. Ed used available parts and I paid a discounted price for the system that I will donate to Occupy..</span></div>
<div><br></div><div><span>Ed is developing a parts list, instructions for assembly and cost for parts, as well as prices for purchasing assembled systems.The intention is developing low cost, potentially do-it-yourself systems.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div>Where shall I drive to deliver the system? 'The weight is about 20-25 pounds for the charger box plus the attached panel.,</div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Roy</span></div><div>
<span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div> </div><div>Roy
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'Roy Morrison' <<a href="mailto:roy.morrison114@yahoo.com" target="_blank">roy.morrison114@yahoo.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 2, 2011 3:00 PM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent</span></b></span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">:</span></b> Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:05 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Ed Bender<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Pentti Aalto<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Occupy PV?</span></font></div>
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