[Energy] New member with generator info

Matthew Krawitz matthewk at krawnet.com
Mon Nov 7 12:13:17 EST 2011


No problem. Im happy to answer questions. 

1). I'm not aware of an ibew generator, so it's different

2). The funds were raised before there was an OB website. They all came in prior to or during the first night of occupation. the fund was specifically for a gas generator. 

3). The GA was engaged, and we reached consensus to have "immortal power" onsite, and that the funds which had been collected should be allocated to a generator. This was prior to our knowledge of not being able to have it onsite   

Another use for the generator is for temporary use. If we have a larger event requiring more power 6000watts is a lot of solar panels. 

#peace

Thank You!

Matthew Krawitz
(617) 909-7338

On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Sage Radachowsky <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:

> I got the impression that we had bought a generator, but it seems unlikely that we'll be able to use it due to restrictions, and so then there were some questions about how we could use the money otherwise.  If the authorities crack down, I don't see how a generator is going to help us, since if they already told us they don't want it here, they'd just storm in and remove it. If they've said not to use it and we do use it, it may cause them to crack down.  I do think any spend or re-spend should go through GA approval.
> 
> Some other background questions:
> 
> 1. Was this the same or different from the IBEW generator?
> 2. Was there a "donate" button for a diesel generator on the Occupy Boston website or else how was this raised?
> 3. Was the fundraising and purchase of the generator passed through the GA?
> 
> I'm not being contrarian -- just asking to understand the context.
> 
> Sage
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> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure why the focus is on how to reuse money spent. 
> 
> If you want solar panels, why dont we raise money for them, or ask the GA for money from the general fund?
> 
> I understand wanting to use the money we spent on the generator, but the donors are all Internet based. We cannot ask the donors anything without blessing of the GA, and we may not be playing 'nice' forever with authorities. A diesel generator may be essential for sustaining the occupation going forward if things turn bad in Boston. 
> 
> Thank You!
> 
> Matthew Krawitz
> (617) 909-7338
> 
> On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Sage Radachowsky <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> What form was the fundraising?   Perhaps we can contact the donors and ask if they're okay with us changing to renewables ....  if it is not possible to contact them, then I would assume they're okay with it, as any reasonable person supporting our cause would probably be.
>> 
>> We may have some solar panel donations, I hear, and if we buy them, they are around $3 per watt in these quantities ... then we can buy a couple more charge controllers to squeeze the max power from the panels and protect the batteries, and I think we can install 250 to 400 Watts of solar power for this price -- that is probably only 6 hours per day of good sunlight in our financial canyon, but that is a lot and can light our camp at night with 12 Volt LED lighting!
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>> Sage
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>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com> wrote:
>> If we (GA too) can come to consensus. Great!  I don't stand in the way of anything which we all agree is cool!  :)
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You!
>> 
>> Matthew Krawitz
>> (617) 909-7338
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Ted Moallem <ted.moallem at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I don't think that returning/selling the diesel generator in order to fund alternative power generators would betray the trust of the donors.  The objective is a practicable way to power OccBos.
>>> 
>>> Ted
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2011 1:16 PM, "Matthew Krawitz" <matthewk at krawnet.com> wrote:
>>> The money was raised to directly fund a generator. It was decided at the time of purchase by FAWG to not betray the trust of the donors and divert funds to other projects. 
>>> 
>>> I don't know if it's returnable. I would doubt it though. The total cost of the genny was about $1,200.
>>> 
>>> Thank You!
>>> 
>>> Matthew Krawitz
>>> (617) 909-7338
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Sage Radachowsky <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> (oops -- Forwarding to the list ... )      
>>>> 
>>>> Another question -- how much did the generator cost and if we wished to use the money for solar panels is it returnable?
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Sage Radachowsky <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Matthew,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks ... I have some questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Is this the same generator that IBEW was donating?   Was there a We-Pay donate button for a diesel generator on the Occupy Boston website for a time?  I don't recall it.
>>>> 
>>>> I heard the IBEW generator was not going to come in.  Not to be a wet blanket, but I was happy about that personally. I want to be as green as possible and use our given resources, and not hear the noise / exhaust of a diesel motor (even if burning biodiesel) ... that is my feeling but not shared by everyone.
>>>> 
>>>> I can get more details on the IBEW generator today if you like, but will be away from my computer so please call 617 406 8842 if you want me to seek info for you.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sage
>>>> 
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>>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:44 AM, <dana at occupyboston.org> wrote:
>>>> Date:   Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:14:05 -0400 [11/05/2011 04:14:05 PM EST]
>>>> From:   Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com>
>>>> To:     dana at occupyboston.org
>>>> Subject:        Re: OB Generator fund
>>>> Hi Dana:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a 6,000 watt diesel generator purchased with donated funds boxed and sitting on a pallet in my driveway.  I have been told the fire/police authorities have indicated that NO combustable devices are permitted on site.  I have been working (with very little luck) to find a way around this "rule".
>>>> 
>>>> The funds you're referring to are actually wepay.com (not kickstarter) accounts, and check out the ocupyboston.org homepage for info on the wind turbines.  The diesel wepay fund is now closed (as we bought the genny).
>>>> 
>>>> I just subscribed to the energy list, but it requires moderator approval...  would you please forward this to the list, along with my contact info so people can ask questions?
>>>> 
>>>> Matthew Krawitz
>>>> @NEFreedomRide - twitter
>>>> (617) 909-7338
>>>> 
>>>> 
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