[Street] [Transparency] [Ideas] [Obit] [Ob-media] Temporary Restraining Order Lifted. Please disseminate widely
M. Sheridan
occupocalypse at gmail.com
Thu Dec 8 11:08:20 EST 2011
It is not our OWN terms if we do it in response to the government, be it
police or court ruling.
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Michael Becker <
michael_becker at meei.harvard.edu> wrote:
> +1
> i'm all for dismantling at least the residential portion on the camp
> ON OUR OWN TERMS. Forcing a deadline tonight and allowing us to
> negotiate for Sunday is not on our terms. It may be the path of least
> resistance and greatest reason but, pardoning my french, fuck that, we
> were talking about MARCH. This Sunday is too much of a compromise for
> my tastes. Just my thoughts.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:01 AM, M. Sheridan <occupocalypse at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The city does not act in good faith. I strongly appose any attempt at
> > negotiation. They have been hostile for weeks now, what we must do now is
> > remain peaceful, remove valuable items from camp, and link arms.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Sage Radachowsky
> > <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, Menino just gave us a midnight deadline.
> >>
> >> However, I heard from the City.
> >>
> >> If we agree to decamp by Sunday, I think that we will have until Sunday
> >> with no raid.
> >>
> >> We must be serious. We must help people who have no other place to go.
> >>
> >> We can make a stand when the circumstance is clearer, and everyone is
> >> voluntarily doing it.
> >>
> >> The lunch counter at Woolworths was a place to take a stand. The front
> >> seat of the bus was a place to take a stand. This may not be the
> place. We
> >> may create the place in the future, in a more planned action.
> >>
> >> Sage
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Beauregard Lyle <
> yayinternets at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> simply work with us as human beings to make sure the space is safe and
> >>>> sound for use of the public
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Quite frankly, if the city is willing to endanger us in order to build
> a
> >>> case against us, I don't know what amount of reason we can expect from
> the
> >>> city any longer. Also I feel strongly the city reacted
> disproportionately
> >>> during the Columbus day raid and on other occasions in order to
> engineer
> >>> news that we are costing them too much money.
> >>>
> >>> While we should be optimistic with the negotiations, there should be
> some
> >>> awareness and acknowledgement that the city acts not on good faith but
> on
> >>> interests that can be interpreted to represent that which our very
> movement
> >>> antagonizes. Perhaps during negotiations we should ask for conditions
> for
> >>> us to leave on our own volition, including immediate accountability of
> the
> >>> city's expenses and so we can spend wintertime investigating the city's
> >>> wasteful costs, including stealing sinks.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Michael Becker
> >>> <michael_becker at meei.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> opening the tent to the public at large is key both for making Occupy
> >>>> less likely to be miscast as a hostile place for "outsiders", but also
> >>>> bring in reams of fresh new ideas
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Sage Radachowsky
> >>>> <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > Negotiation is still an option. We may still be able to meet with
> the
> >>>> > City
> >>>> > and negotiate something that is more than a complete retreat. We
> >>>> > have a
> >>>> > lot to talk about at General Assembly tonight.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > One idea is to negotiate having a single large tent through the
> >>>> > Winter, not
> >>>> > for sleeping, but for a continuous peaceable assembly. We have had
> >>>> > our eye
> >>>> > on a 52'x18' tent that is large enough to hold a general assembly. I
> >>>> > am sure
> >>>> > we are able to muster enough Winter soldiers to keep at least three
> >>>> > people
> >>>> > in the tent at all times. The tent would of course be open to the
> >>>> > public at
> >>>> > large, so we would not be occupying the space in the sense of
> seizing
> >>>> > it for
> >>>> > our own use, but we would be occupying the sense of holding it for
> >>>> > public
> >>>> > dialogue on the important issues of our economy and democracy and
> >>>> > social
> >>>> > justice.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If the City is at all reasonable, then it would concede to this
> single
> >>>> > request, and put aside the technicalities of permitting, and simply
> >>>> > work
> >>>> > with us as human beings to make sure the space is safe and sound for
> >>>> > use of
> >>>> > the public. After all, come on, there is a huge tent on Government
> >>>> > Center
> >>>> > Plaza for Peter Pan! If Peter Pan is worth a tent on public space,
> >>>> > then
> >>>> > aren't our goals worthy?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If the City says no to this simple request, they will not look so
> >>>> > good.
> >>>> > If they say yes, then we still get to have a physical presence
> until
> >>>> > Spring.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Sage
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Beauregard Lyle
> >>>> > <yayinternets at gmail.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I think saying we are decentralizing the downtown encampment during
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> wintertime in light of the city's clear efforts to demonize us and
> >>>> >> steal our
> >>>> >> cleaning supplies in order to build a case againt us will give us
> >>>> >> time to
> >>>> >> regroup strongly in the spring. Let's occupy every zip code in the
> >>>> >> area
> >>>> >> (weekly meetings in volunteer's houses? Buid a site to organize
> this
> >>>> >> effort
> >>>> >> and plan rideshares, have movie nights, potlucks). This will also
> >>>> >> allow us
> >>>> >> to reach out to our communities and gauge their needs, and rally
> more
> >>>> >> support despite temporarily surrendering our major presence in the
> >>>> >> financial
> >>>> >> district.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Interesting to note: Federal Reserve Building offers conference
> space
> >>>> >> for
> >>>> >> free for nonprofits. Would be fun to plan a conference around how
> we
> >>>> >> will
> >>>> >> regroup ourselves in the spring in the very same building that
> >>>> >> brought us to
> >>>> >> Dewey in the first place.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM, "Occupy Boston Music and Events"
> >>>> >> <booking99percent at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> + 1. I agree ,Lets all Stand Together and not divided. I have a
> >>>> >>> band
> >>>> >>> that wants to play on Sunday. I say we carry on, biz as usually as
> >>>> >>> we are
> >>>> >>> packing up. Ben.. thank you too for all you did.
> >>>> >>> Kelley
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ben Janos
> >>>> >>> <occupyprospecthill at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> I agree with Sage that we should decamp together. The camp has
> >>>> >>>> served
> >>>> >>>> it's purpose, which was to bring light to inequality and show
> that
> >>>> >>>> there is
> >>>> >>>> a significant number of people that are concerned and effected by
> >>>> >>>> our
> >>>> >>>> current socio-economic system. Sure, one could make the argument
> >>>> >>>> that the
> >>>> >>>> camp is an important representation of the first amendment - and
> it
> >>>> >>>> is - but
> >>>> >>>> this movement is not about the first amendment. Disbanding camp
> >>>> >>>> peacefully
> >>>> >>>> could send a strong message that we are reasonable and
> respectful,
> >>>> >>>> andthat
> >>>> >>>> we recognize that this phase of the movement is over, which it
> is.
> >>>> >>>> We can do
> >>>> >>>> it peacefully or we can be forced to leave, but in either
> scenario,
> >>>> >>>> it's
> >>>> >>>> over. Let's rally and get ready for what's next!
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Ben
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Sage Radachowsky
> >>>> >>>> <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> I would like us to swiftly decide to decamp on Sunday, in a
> >>>> >>>>> beautiful
> >>>> >>>>> way with a serious but hopeful feeling. If we can decide on
> >>>> >>>>> this, and
> >>>> >>>>> announce it, then we will have the time to do this right, with
> >>>> >>>>> dignity, and
> >>>> >>>>> then plan the next actions. The alternative is a unified,
> fierce
> >>>> >>>>> nonviolent resistance with many arrests. Anything in between
> will
> >>>> >>>>> be a
> >>>> >>>>> washout and a messaging mess. They both have their pros and
> cons.
> >>>> >>>>> Please
> >>>> >>>>> give opinions.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Sage
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Deborah Sirotkin Butler
> >>>> >>>>> <amberpaw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> +1 - to be effective, this movement must evolve, and at least
> as
> >>>> >>>>>> to
> >>>> >>>>>> Occupy Detroit, what they did is secure indoor space and
> disband
> >>>> >>>>>> the outdoor
> >>>> >>>>>> camp for the winter season - there are some very effective
> >>>> >>>>>> ideas,plans, and
> >>>> >>>>>> history on the Occupy Detroit website that I think are worth
> >>>> >>>>>> review. Yeah.
> >>>> >>>>>> I was born in Detroit - you can take the woman out of Detroit -
> >>>> >>>>>> but you
> >>>> >>>>>> cannot take Detroit out of the woman. Deb Sirotkin Butler
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Aria Littlhous
> >>>> >>>>>> <aria at littlhous.net>
> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> We need a plan for "36 hours after (possible) eviction", not
> >>>> >>>>>>> just for
> >>>> >>>>>>> 12 hours later at the court house. There's a planning meeting
> at
> >>>> >>>>>>> E5 Sunday
> >>>> >>>>>>> starting at noon. Demand that A Contingency Plan be the first
> >>>> >>>>>>> agenda item.
> >>>> >>>>>>> And then decide: move as whole; atomized into smaller camps,
> or
> >>>> >>>>>>> disband? And
> >>>> >>>>>>> then decide where to go if evicted.
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> This is my idea: send an open letter out NOW to a list of 21
> big
> >>>> >>>>>>> indoor spaces that could, might, and definitely wouldn't, host
> >>>> >>>>>>> the entire
> >>>> >>>>>>> camp. This is part PR, part mission central, and part
> functional
> >>>> >>>>>>> necessity.
> >>>> >>>>>>> Publicize the answers. Of course the Federal Reserve, the
> Boston
> >>>> >>>>>>> Public
> >>>> >>>>>>> Library, the Boston Garden etc. are going to say no--the point
> >>>> >>>>>>> is to make a
> >>>> >>>>>>> point. Hope that three churches, especially one in Dorchester
> >>>> >>>>>>> were we'd like
> >>>> >>>>>>> to strengthen connections, offers us a place until spring. We
> >>>> >>>>>>> can make an
> >>>> >>>>>>> eviction into a "win-win" situation if we start PLAN AHEAD.
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Sage Radachowsky
> >>>> >>>>>>> <sage.radachowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> I also feel a need for us to meet with the Mayor's office,
> and
> >>>> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>> >>>>>>>> a connection that I have not pulled yet. I think that we
> >>>> >>>>>>>> should do it in a
> >>>> >>>>>>>> synchronized and decided way to represent Occupy Boston. I
> >>>> >>>>>>>> have been
> >>>> >>>>>>>> thinking seriously about the diplomacy aspect for some time
> >>>> >>>>>>>> now. I think we
> >>>> >>>>>>>> should talk about this at the general assembly tonight.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> To say that we have no plans of leaving the square may not be
> >>>> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>>>>> right message. You already communicated that, and it may hurt
> >>>> >>>>>>>> us. We may
> >>>> >>>>>>>> decide that we do want to leave the square. We may decide
> many
> >>>> >>>>>>>> other things
> >>>> >>>>>>>> in regard to negotiation and diplomacy.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> Sage
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Gregg Housh
> >>>> >>>>>>>> <greggatghc at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I just got off the phone with the person who has been my
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> go-between
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> for me and Menino, its a close friend of his. Before I
> called
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> him, Menino
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> already had. Menino is still of the mindset that we should
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> come to some
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> sort of mediated agreement with him to get off the land, and
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> maybe still
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> have use of it or something similar to that. I told our
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> mutual friend to
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> call him back and tell him we want a meeting this week. I
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> also told him
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> that we have no plans of leaving the square, but that a
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> meeting before any
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> sort of action on his part would be a good idea.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That is where we stand with the Mayor right now. He gave
> our
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> mutual friend no indication of moving on us tonight or even
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> soon.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I will write back when I hear back.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Deborah Sirotkin Butler
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> <amberpaw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> WELL DONE. This definitely "trumps" the regular 7:00 PM
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> meeting
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> for media. I will be down as soon as I wrap up a couple of
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> things in the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> office. Deb Sirotkin Butler
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Elias Feghali
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> <efeghali at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eric thinks emergency GA, and I agree. Have
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> emailed facilitation about it.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Have tweeted and facebook'd telling people to come to
> Dewey.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Headed to camp, will be there around 5-515.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Going to send emergency text as soon as we confirm
> emergency
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> GA.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Going to say something like.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "BREAKING: judge rules against Occupy Boston. Nothing
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> protecting
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> us from being raided. Emergency general assembly tonight
> 7pm
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dewey sq.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please come if you can!"
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Rachel Plattus
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <rachelbp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rita and I are here--no one else in the media tent.
> Imagine
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> press will be arriving soon.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the vigil--other thoughts?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbp
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rachel Berliner Plattus
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> rachelbp at gmail.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (203)-676-2280
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Elias Feghali
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <efeghali at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we want to message to emergency TXT system and let
> them
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> know? That's what Ursala from NLG wanted me to do.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Invite them to camp for a 24/7 vigil tonight? Last I
> hear
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people were talking about having a 24/7 vigil in honor
> of
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the 1st amendment
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if we lost.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to send anything until I hear from folks.
> We
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all hands on deck. We could get raided tonight. If you
> can
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be at camp,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> please be there tonight.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Occupy Eric
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <occupyeric at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just got a call from Ben, one of the OB lawyers, and
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judge ruling the case has ruled against our case and
> has
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifted the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temporary Restraining Order. Ben asked me to
> disseminate
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this info widely. I
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen the ruling and don't know the reasoning of
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please pass the word on.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solidarity,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>> >>> Occupy Boston Music and Events
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