[Street] Summary of call re: pushing the event back

Joseph Ramsey jgramsey at gmail.com
Sat Nov 26 18:11:49 EST 2011


I actually think also we should see this march (on the 3rd!) as an
opportunity to build mass support to prevent the camp from being cleared.
(assuming they have not attacked us by the 3rd.)

In fact, I would argue that one thing we should be doing, through our
conversations, is LETTING EVERYONE IN THIS CITY KNOW HOW THEY CAN HELP US
IN THE EVENT OF A POLICE ASSAULT.

-Joe

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Theresa <theresa at occupyboston.org> wrote:

> I think the 3rd is our best option....especially with the court hearing
> this week. It is a way to keep momentum even if the camp gets cleared.
>
> Please confirm the date.  I start calls Monday morning
>
>
>
> Quoting Occupy Eric <occupyeric at gmail.com>:
>
>  Point of Info: Students will likely have a hard time with a Dec 10 march.
>>
>> Also, since this has been billed as a crowd-source event, us making the
>> decision to postpone the march isn't really in the spirit of this march,
>> in
>> my opinion.
>>
>> Solidarity!
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Brett West <heavyriser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hey Joe,
>>>
>>> Yes, word is out about this event for sure. Some who have been organizing
>>> it feel that it may not be to late to postpone it and make it better by
>>> doing so. You should bring these concerns to the meeting on Monday.
>>>
>>> The more community support shows up on Monday the better the chances of
>>> holding to the Dec. 3 date
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Joseph Ramsey <jgramsey at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  The call for this action has already been issued, has it not?  I
>>>> personally forwarded it to several lists today!
>>>>
>>>> To postpone now is to sew confusion, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Also, with the possibility of an immanent assault on Dewey Square very
>>>> real post Dec. 1, isn't it important to do this sort of aggressive
>>>> outreach
>>>> and rallying of the community (in support of occupy generally, and in
>>>> defense of dewey in particular) sooner rather than later?
>>>>
>>>> -Joe
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:33 PM, David Lamoso <davidlamoso16 at gmail.com>
>>>> **wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Joseph
>>>>> The event there talking about is the Unity Day of Action ditributed
>>>>> march on Dec 3. We are meeting on Monday at 5:00pm in 26 West st,
>>>>> Boston.
>>>>> For details of it.
>>>>> En Sokidaridad
>>>>> DavidLamoso
>>>>> Davidlamoso16 at gmail.com
>>>>> Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph Ramsey <jgramsey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Which "event" is being spoken of here?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >as a general point of process: It would be helpful if people made
>>>>> their
>>>>> >referrents (whether to people, places, or events) clear in all emails.
>>>>>  Or
>>>>> >at least in all *new* topic emails.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >  So many people are constantly coming into our conversations in the
>>>>> middle
>>>>> >that confusion is inevitable, especially if the "theys" "him"s "her"s
>>>>> and
>>>>> >"this"s arent't explicit throughout.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Best,
>>>>> >Joe
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Ravi Mishra <ravi at occupyboston.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> We had about 6-8 people on the call. We pretty quickly decided that
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> two dates were going to be the 3rd or one week later, the 10th.
>>>>> There
>>>>> were
>>>>> >> a lot of reasons to keep the march on the 3rd that David, Michael,
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> Simon went into. From what I remember, Katie voiced her concerns and
>>>>> seemed
>>>>> >> undecided. Brett seemed convinced to keep it on the 3rd.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I thought it would be useful to keep the conversation going,
>>>>> especially as
>>>>> >> I'm pretty in favor of pushing it back and giving us an extra week.
>>>>> I
>>>>> >> wanted to go into my reasoning below, and start a thread so we could
>>>>> >> discuss. We made no conclusion other than to bring it up on Monday
>>>>> at
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> meeting, first thing. Without further ado, why I think we should
>>>>> push
>>>>> it
>>>>> >> back:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 1) The "open source" piece of demonstrations is just doesn't have
>>>>> enough
>>>>> >> momentum behind it. To me, the promise of this event is that we
>>>>> empower
>>>>> >> individuals to use their creativity to come up with novel types of
>>>>> actions
>>>>> >> - hopefully ones that, long term, serve as a blueprint for more
>>>>> effective
>>>>> >> demonstrations in the future. Right now, we have very few actions
>>>>> listed (
>>>>> >>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**
>>>>> 0Ah3pFB7dtoJJdERLcDU3WG1WMHpaS**DZkeE03X1d4SHc&hl=en_US#gid=0<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah3pFB7dtoJJdERLcDU3WG1WMHpaSDZkeE03X1d4SHc&hl=en_US#gid=0>
>>>>> )
>>>>> >> - people knew to the concept of the event are hearing about it and
>>>>> then
>>>>> >> seeing us not have any cool, crowdsourced events planned. Further,
>>>>> we've
>>>>> >> made none of the materials we talked about - the flyers about the
>>>>> various
>>>>> >> issues, personal stories, etc.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2) The rally. As far as I know, we have nothing planned, nor have we
>>>>> >> reached out to the police or done much prep work.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 3) Community orgs - outside of a handful, we haven't really reached
>>>>> out to
>>>>> >> many. Judging by the reaction of the ones we have reached out to,
>>>>> having
>>>>> >> more time to do more outreach could be huge.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 4) The amount we gain is much more than the amount we lose.
>>>>> Ultimately, I
>>>>> >> don't think pushing it back really has much downside - people are
>>>>> listening
>>>>> >> to us, and we can easily get the message out (and spin it as a
>>>>> positive for
>>>>> >> us: we have a lot of interest and we want to give both the various
>>>>> >> communities and ourselves more time to prepare a great event -
>>>>> Simon's
>>>>> >> great idea for how we could frame it). And more time gives us some
>>>>> >> breathing room to make sure we pull off a great event.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *Ultimately, the beauty of this event, in my mind, is that first
>>>>> that
>>>>> we
>>>>>
>>>>> >> would take over the city with a variety of demonstrations, and
>>>>> second, that
>>>>> >> we would create a culture of innovation when it comes to actions,
>>>>> and
>>>>> get
>>>>> >> people thinking about how to make them more effective, informative,
>>>>> and fun.
>>>>> >> * Right now, with the event 8 days away, I feel like an extra week
>>>>> would
>>>>> >> be a great idea.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Finally, I think I speak for everyone on the call when I say that,
>>>>> >> whatever the final decision, we'll be diving in 100% to make this a
>>>>> great
>>>>> >> event.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Ravi
>>>>> >>
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