[Street] a question
Ravi Mishra
ravi at occupyboston.org
Fri Nov 25 16:14:24 EST 2011
Eric, I'll take care of you.
All - we need to make a decision about this. My personal take is that it is
up to the people who are willing to put in the effort to make sure it goes
down. I can do stuff online from out of town, but I obviously can't do
anything on the ground, so I don't want to weigh in. Obviously, I'd love if
it were pushed back a week and I could be more actively involved.
Put differently, if you're on the ground, do you think you can put in
enough time to make this happen? If not, I don't think one weekend will
have it conflict with finals, and it generally wouldn't be the end of the
world.
My opinion: Honestly, I hope what we do reverberates nationally and helps
to set a precedent about thinking about actions from a more strategic (and
open source) perspective. I think innovation in the area of
demonstrations/actions is one of the most important thing our movement
needs right now. If it takes another week to get it right, let's do that.
To me, one of the key dynamics is empowering anyone to start their own
action. For a true random person to do this, they need a welcoming
environment, and our first point of contact (event page + google doc) is
lacking.
But, again, if we think we can pull it off, let's not shy away. I'm
available for a conf call whenever tonight.
--
Ravi
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Occupy Eric <occupyeric at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone help me with the conference call, please? Will there be folks
> at Dewey that are working on the conference call? I don't have or know of
> reliable access to a computer to be a part of these discussions.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
> On Nov 25, 2011 11:47 AM, "Daniel Mc" <danielm at occupyboston.org> wrote:
>
>> I do think a conversation is in order about this. I can not make a
>> conference call tonight but think it is important.
>>
>> We should really try to define for ourselves what would make this event
>> SUCCESSFUL. Once that is defined, we can determine if we need to push it to
>> another date.
>>
>> Just a side note that when we first questioned the date, Allison brought
>> up the fact that pushing it off would conflict with finals for college
>> students.
>>
>> Best,
>> --
>> Daniel.
>> Occupy Boston Outreach Committee
>> **Use this email for all things occupy**
>>
>>
>> Quoting Katie Gradowski <katie.gradowski at gmail.com>:
>>
>> I'd be fine with having a conversation either by email today or by phone
>>> this evening.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Brett West <heavyriser at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the points that Katie brings up are important and valid. It does
>>>> seem to me that to have this event on Dec. 3 will require a lot of
>>>> action
>>>> happening this week. Everyone should read her email, but this is an
>>>> attempt
>>>> to summarize her main concerns:
>>>>
>>>> 1) *Copley square logistics* - Are we in contact with the appropriate
>>>> people to ensure that we can use Copley on Dec. 3rd for this event?
>>>>
>>>> 2) *Legal preparations* - Do we know if civil disobedience is going to
>>>> occur? Are we prepared to protect the legal wellbeing of all those who
>>>> show
>>>> up at Copley?
>>>>
>>>> 3) *Losing the injunction* - will this possible outcome pose too large a
>>>> distraction for occupiers from an event on Dec. 3?
>>>>
>>>> 4) *Outreach* - while we have good structures in place to do effective
>>>> outreach and create an awesome turnout, do we have time between now and
>>>> Dec. 3 to implement them?
>>>>
>>>> Katie feel free to edit if I missed something.
>>>>
>>>> I think we need to talk to each other today to get answers to these
>>>> questions. CONFERENCE CALL TONIGHT 8PM?????
>>>>
>>>> I would say work today assuming that it will happen on Dec. 3. If we
>>>> cold-call organizations and they say its too soon, that's a hint. If
>>>> they
>>>> say they can do it Dec. 3rd., and then we have to push it back a week,
>>>> that
>>>> will probably be okay too.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I'm concerned about pushing the event further towards
>>>> Christmas/Holidays
>>>>
>>>> Brett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Katie Gradowski <
>>>> katie.gradowski at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do people think we can pull this off for December 3?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to derail efforts, and I don't want to spend too long
>>>>> dwelling on it if the answer is no. I'm just realizing that a lot of
>>>>> the
>>>>> work I meant to put into outreach last week got derailed by OWS (along
>>>>> with everything else), and that I may not be alone in feeling totally
>>>>> behind the ball on next week's march and rally. Wednesday's
>>>>> conference
>>>>> call left me with the distinct impression that we DO have a reasonable
>>>>> organizational structure for making this march happen, but that we
>>>>> might
>>>>> need another week and a half to pull it off.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that's OK, if the answer is yes. We don't yet have a concrete
>>>>> list of groups on board for next weekend, but the wide net we've cast
>>>>> so
>>>>> far means that it's VERY possible to reach the people we want to reach.
>>>>> I'm really heartened, based on the meetings last week, that there are
>>>>> good,
>>>>> solid structures in place to follow up on outreach efforts with a
>>>>> concrete
>>>>> plan, a map, a great website, awesome flyers, etc -- but not sure that
>>>>> seven days is enough time to actually DO all that, and to get everyone
>>>>> involved who might want to be involved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other thoughts and questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) There are some logistics for Copley Square which seem like they'll
>>>>> take some time to negotiate (mostly regarding music, permitting,
>>>>> reaching
>>>>> out to other groups who might be using the square, identifying what
>>>>> those
>>>>> groups are, etc) --- at the very least, we should reach out to the
>>>>> church
>>>>> at copley to answer some of these questions. As far as I'm aware,
>>>>> this
>>>>> stuff hasn't happened yet, and needs to be part of our basic planning
>>>>> for
>>>>> the rally part of the event.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Canvassing vs. direct actions -- I'm not sure what actions are
>>>>> planned for the day, but especially since we are casting a wide net, it
>>>>> seems VERY important that if there is any civil disobedience planned,
>>>>> we
>>>>> make sure legal knows and are prepared to handle it. Autonomous
>>>>> action is
>>>>> fine, but we should be aware of what's happening so we can make sure
>>>>> everyone stays safe.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Timing and tactics -- if we DO win the injunction, great! If we
>>>>> don't, I expect the first few days of December are going to involve
>>>>> panicked last-minute meetings and bleary-eyed nights awake. I'm wary
>>>>> of
>>>>> doing last-minute planning for the march and rally in conjunction with
>>>>> this, when many of us are going to be suddenly faced with a myriad set
>>>>> of
>>>>> other things to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again -- not meant as a derail, and I don't mean to step on the toes of
>>>>> people who HAVE been organizing diligently for the past two weeks -- I
>>>>> got
>>>>> blindsided by OTH as well, and am feeling behind on many projects, but
>>>>> I
>>>>> realize that other people have been doing this exclusively, and may
>>>>> have
>>>>> dealt with some of the things I raised above as concerns -- in which
>>>>> case,
>>>>> great! if not, maybe we should reconsider the date?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm all for going ahead with December 3, but i wanted to throw that out
>>>>> there in case other people are feeling slightly panicked about how
>>>>> quickly
>>>>> this is coming up.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Katie
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