[Street] NYPD takes both of OWS livestreams
Patricia Downer
patricia.downer at gmail.com
Fri Jan 6 12:37:08 EST 2012
+1 Nicole
While it is frustrating to have this discussion continue for so many days,
it is ABSOLUTELY important to the functioning of the movement. Not every
discussion can or should focus on actions. We also need a unified structure
behind those actions. A part of that is making sure that we make an effort
to make people feel safe at events. This proposal is a step towards that
(it doesn't completely achieve that, but it shouldn't have to...we just
need a step in the right direction).
The discussions have been just as much about breaking down oppressive
structures and privilege as they have been about the content of the
proposal itself. The discussion also branched off into lots of other
important subjects that we have yet to tackle such has how OB will provide
a space for redress of grievances in general. (Which actually wasn't really
the initial intent of the proposal.)
Matthew - I would have loved to hear more about what was in the subject
line of your email without the digs about this proposal. I would be curious
what concerns you have about the NH protests (without digs about said
proposal). We have actions planned. After yesterday's proposal, we now have
some funds allocated.
To all - Please don't loose respect for this proposal just because of your
frustrations with the amount of time it is taking to get a solution. Please
don't turn to infighting over the process (especially without constructive
suggestions of how to improve said process).
Thanks,
Patricia Downer
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Nicole Sullivan
<nicole_sullivan at live.com>wrote:
> Actions do not get planned at GA's. Quite frankly, if you want this
> movement to survive- we are going to have spend time doing the internal
> work to dismantle oppressive structures within occupy. This long lasting
> conversation at GA has been one of the most important ones we have had.
> This is good reading on the subject:
> http://inciteblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/why-misogynists-make-great-informants-how-gender-violence-on-the-left-enables-state-violence-in-radical-movements/ .
> I'm not quite sure why spending GA talking about a proposal that is needed
> means all these other things aren't happening. I know I've been personally
> working on those issues with the working groups I am in.
>
> What I am hearing with this thread is that: Gendered violence is a
> distraction to our greater cause therefore we should not be talking about
> it. Matthew- you could have sent this news about OWS without the dig at
> the people who care deeply about making Occupy the model to change the
> world. You could have also sent your concerns about those of us going to
> New Hampshire without that as well. Also, just an FYI- my main concern
> about staying with strangers in NH is not lack of food or shelter, its
> staying with strange men with no accountability structures if they decide
> to hurt me.
>
> Basically, my patience and tolerance for people sweeping sexual violence
> aside for the "greater cause" is at zero.
>
> Nicole
>
> > To: matthewk at krawnet.com; street-bounces+juliet.stone2=
> verizon.net at lists.occupyboston.org; eden at occupyboston.org
> > From: juliet.stone2 at verizon.net
> > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:38:19 +0000
> > CC: street at lists.occupyboston.org
>
> > Subject: Re: [Street] NYPD takes both of OWS livestreams
> >
> > YES
> > I was at the GA and was confused as to why OB had become misdirected
> > Horizontal democracy that looses sight of original motivators for action
> threatens our ability to function
> > A working group on medical/social personal internal specifics should not
> be focus of GAs! Yes sexual misconduct, predatory behavior etc cannot be
> tolerated as this behavior whether pathological or not needs clear
> boundries and may need medical and/or exclusionary action by OB to insure
> we have safe spaces
> > Do we not want our time and energy to focus on
> > The NH Primary
> > Affordable housing
> > Public transportation
> > Universal Health care
> > Corporate power impact on Democracy
> > Quality Education for all
> > Etc etc.
> > Coalition building!!
> > Uniting with global and national and local movements is our strength!
> > Not an internal personal medical disciplinary issue at GAs
> > We need to keep our eyes on the grape
> > As Chavez said!
> > Onward
> > Julie
> > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com>
> > Sender: street-bounces+juliet.stone2=verizon.net at lists.occupyboston.org
> > Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:50:13
> > To: Free School University<eden at occupyboston.org>
> > Cc: <street at lists.occupyboston.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Street] NYPD takes both of OWS livestreams
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