[Street] [Occupybostonoutreach] THUR, 17th, MoveOn.org Canvassing for 11/17/11 March

Eli Cohen elcoh002 at mail.goucher.edu
Sat Nov 12 18:11:32 EST 2011


Thanks for that reality check Eden. I referred to "MoveOn" somewhat
indiscriminately, and I apologize for that; my issue is with MoveOn the
political entity. Not, of course, with the half a million people on the
MoveOn mailing list (I'm one of them!) I'm concerned about the work of the
organization, and I think a GA resolution against co-opting would help with
that. But you're absolutely right that dialogue and education are the way
to go when *any* individual shows up at camp. I have no intention of
pushing anyone away who comes in good faith, and I have no intention of
getting paranoid about who's coming on the 17th. Everyone is invited.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:12 PM, <Eden at akashic.com> wrote:

> Please eveyone, I was saying moveon people are going to be coming because
> where else will they go???? We don't need to address them as MO people, I'm
> saying lets have more welcome people, more action people, availble and out
> on & off site and be open to educate them.
>
> I don't support MO, I just get their emails and from afar, to observers,
> people sitting at home knowing there is something wrong and seeing MO say
> go to broken bridges and shout-out that u want them fixed .. I think is
> great.
>
> As I said they move people to center and diffuse the issues, so lets be
> face-to-face and redirect them back to corporate greed and the fact that
> Amerika's only real business is war and oil empire building ... forget MO,
> I'm just saying more of their people will be wondering what to do, so let's
> be available not, in focusing on them, just doing more of what we do ..
> find the creative and not the knee jerk response, build the new world and
> and shout out about injustice, corruption and oppression.
> solidarity, eden
>
> Free School University is located in Dewey Square at South Station.
> Most classes meet at the bright orange, Soap Box, north end of the square.
>
> To schedule a class send to FSU at lists.OccupyBoston.org, write 'POST' in
> the subject line.
> To volunteer FSU at lists.OccupyBoston.org , write 'VOL' in the subject line.
> The FSU public meeting is 4pm agenda and 4:30 meeting
> List of FSU classes WIKI:
> http://wiki.occupyboston.org/wiki/Solidarity/FSU
> and whole Occupy Boston: http://www.occupyboston.org/calendar/
> Daily newspaper, list of classes and other notes regarding FSU can be
> found at:
> OBGlobe: http://occupybostonglobe.com/free-school-u/
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyBostonFSU
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/OccupyBostonFSU/
>
>
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Street] [Occupybostonoutreach] THUR, 17th, MoveOn.org
> Canvassing for 11/17/11 March
> From: Nicole Sullivan <nicole_sullivan at live.com>
> Date: Sat, November 12, 2011 1:40 pm
> To: <elcoh002 at mail.goucher.edu>, <matthewk at krawnet.com>
> Cc: street at lists.occupyboston.org, occupybostonda at gmail.com,
> occupybostonoutreach at lists.mayfirst.org, scampbell103 at gmail.com,
> neuromancermagic at gmail.com
>
>
>  +1 on what eli said
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:37:56 -0500
> From: elcoh002 at mail.goucher.edu
> To: matthewk at krawnet.com
> CC: street at lists.occupyboston.org; occupybostonoutreach at lists.mayfirst.org;
> occupybostonDA at gmail.com; neuromancermagic at gmail.com;
> scampbell103 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Street] [Occupybostonoutreach] THUR, 17th, MoveOn.orgCanvassing for 11/17/11 March
>
> MoveOn sells "99%" lawn signs at a profit, and held a conference call for
> Occupy organizers from five different cities to talk to MoveOn folks.
> They're definitely trying to make this "their thing."
>
> I'm with Matthew in a general sense, but I'd like to reframe the issue:
> they are showing up (in person, on the web, in the public consciousness)
> whether we invite them or not. I like the idea of a "we will not be
> co-opted" statement, and I think it's becoming increasingly necessary.
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Matthew Krawitz <matthewk at krawnet.com>wrote:
>
> I don't have mixed feelings about moveon. They are a PART OF THE PROBLEM.
> monied interests including friendly ones need to be dismantled and
> relegated to history.
>
> Don't support them. Don't invite them to occupyboston. My $0.02
>
> Thank You!
>
> Matthew Krawitz
> (617) 909-7338
>
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:48 AM, <Eden at akashic.com> wrote:
>
> While I do not support MoveOn whole heartedly, believeing they gently move
> progressives to the center, they attract a huge following. I pass this on
> to show there will be people out and open to joining NOV 17th, from a wider
> demographic than we have seen as of yet. Some people will come to us for
> leadership, eden
>
> MoveOn.org is supporting this, getting a lot of coverage from the middle
> 99%
> Synopsis: In less than two weeks, the Super Committee will unveil their
> deficit reduction plan. And instead of focusing on creating jobs and making
> the rich pay their fair share, all indications are that *Congress will
> once again protect the 1% at the expense of the 99%—unleashing up to $1.2
> trillion in vicious, job-killing cuts that could hit Medicare, Social
> Security, and other programs the middle class relies on.*
> We've got just 12 days left to stop them—and our only chance is massive,
> coordinated action to let them know we will not stand for more of the same
> disastrous policies.
> *So we're joining with Occupy Wall Street, and progressive allies like
> SEIU, AFL-CIO, and many more for a "We Are the 99%" day of action on
> November 17. *Together, we'll demand that Congress and the Super
> Committee tax Wall Street to create millions of jobs and rebuild our
> economy for the 99%. But if we're going to stop this terrible deal, these
> events need to be big—really big. Can you join us?
> ...
>
> If there’s no agreement by November 23, or if Congress doesn’t pass the
> panel’s recommendations by the end of the year, it will trigger an
> enforcement mechanism comprised largely of across the board cuts to
> Medicare providers and defense and security programs, totaling $1.2
> trillion over 10 years. Those cuts would begin take effect on January 1,
> 2013.
>
> WHOLE MOveOn PASTED:
> Dear MoveOn member,
> They just don't get it. Ordinary people are rising up and demanding that
> our country work for the 99%, but Congress is still acting like nothing has
> changed.
> In less than two weeks, the Super Committee will unveil their deficit
> reduction plan. And instead of focusing on creating jobs and making the
> rich pay their fair share, all indications are that *Congress will once
> again protect the 1% at the expense of the 99%—unleashing up to $1.2
> trillion in vicious, job-killing cuts that could hit Medicare, Social
> Security, and other programs the middle class relies on.*
> We've got just 12 days left to stop them—and our only chance is massive,
> coordinated action to let them know we will not stand for more of the same
> disastrous policies.
> *So we're joining with Occupy Wall Street, and progressive allies like
> SEIU, AFL-CIO, and many more for a "We Are the 99%" day of action on
> November 17. *Together, we'll demand that Congress and the Super
> Committee tax Wall Street to create millions of jobs and rebuild our
> economy for the 99%. But if we're going to stop this terrible deal, these
> events need to be big—really big. Can you join us?
> ...(move-on links)
> Democrats on the Super Committee have already offered $500 billion in cuts
> to Medicare and Medicaid, even though Republicans still refuse to raise
> taxes on the wealthy.1 And any deal that the Super Committee reaches will
> be incredibly dangerous. Part of the debt ceiling deal this summer was that
> the Super Committee's report would get a straight up-or-down vote in both
> houses of Congress immediately—making it very hard to stop once the train
> has left the station.
> Our plan for November 17 is to hold events at the very places where
> Congress could be creating jobs to get Americans back to work: crumbling
> bridges, understaffed schools, and other examples of critical
> infrastructure in disrepair. We need to remind Congress—and our fellow
> community members—that there's plenty of work that needs doing in America,
> if only Washington would focus on the right things. And we need to show
> Congress how huge the backlash will be if they push through yet another
> disastrous deal.
> Thanks for all you do.–Lenore, Joan, Ryan, Wes, and the rest of the team
> Source:
> 1. "Dems, GOP Play Super Committee Hot Potato As Talks Stall Over Taxes,"
> Talking Points Memo, November 10, 2011
> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=267546&id=32795-5199750-C9NXU9x&t=6
> by following this then, by clicking: 'One of the most recent offers, the
> details of which were leaked to the press earlier this week<http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/how-the-super-committee-reached-the-brink-of-failure.php>,
> came from Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA)' u get to:
> http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/how-the-super-committee-reached-the-brink-of-failure.php
>
> and clicking this:  'A key member of the Senate Democratic leadership
> team has openly predicted the panel will gridlock and fail<http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/schumer-predicts-super-committee-will-fail-video.php>'
> gets u to:
> u get to this:
> http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/schumer-predicts-super-committee-will-fail-video.php,
> *which is a Video*
> My beginning paste:
> *If there’s no agreement by November 23, or if Congress doesn’t pass the
> panel’s recommendations by the end of the year, it will trigger an
> enforcement mechanism comprised largely of across the board cuts to
> Medicare providers and defense and security programs, totaling $1.2
> trillion over 10 years. Those cuts would begin take effect on January 1,
> 2013.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Free School University is located in Dewey Square at South Station.
> Most classes meet at the bright orange, Soap Box, north end of the square.
>
> To schedule a class send to FSU at lists.OccupyBoston.org, write 'POST' in
> the subject line.
> To volunteer FSU at lists.OccupyBoston.org , write 'VOL' in the subject line.
> The FSU public meeting is 4pm agenda and 4:30 meeting
> List of FSU classes WIKI:
> http://wiki.occupyboston.org/wiki/Solidarity/FSU
> and whole Occupy Boston: http://www.occupyboston.org/calendar/
> Daily newspaper, list of classes and other notes regarding FSU can be
> found at:
> OBGlobe: http://occupybostonglobe.com/free-school-u/
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyBostonFSU
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/OccupyBostonFSU/
>
>
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Street] Canvassing for 11/17/11 March
> From: Ben Janos <occupyprospecthill at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:08 am
> To: street at lists.occupyboston.org
>
> Hey guys,
>
> As I'm sure you know, this Thursday, 11/17/11 is a day of action in the
> Occupy Universe. In Boston, we are going to be marching in conjunction with
> Mass Uniting in a "March for Good Jobs". There's gonna be a lot of Unions
> and other organizations involved and it should be huge.
>
> Tonight (ok, last night by now) we talked about going out and doing some
> flyering for this event. I'm going to be doing this on Monday and Wednesday
> at 5:30. It's gonna be a great way to get some practice before the Meet the
> 99% march, and also hopefully get more people involved in Occupy Boston!
> We'll meet (where else) at Gandhi and decide where we are going to flyer
> from there.
>
> The link to the march is here:
> http://massuniting.org/2011/11/04/march-for-good-jobs/
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
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