[Street] Summary of call re: pushing the event back
Paul Johnson
pjjohnson at comcast.net
Sun Nov 27 09:43:18 EST 2011
Joe,
I could not agree more about doing something now to build mass support to
prevent any police action to evict. How the event may affect our likelihood
of staying in Dewey Square may be the priority at this time. The date of the
event, what takes place and where it takes place should be considered with
the possibility that the police may act next weekend. Maybe we should
consider starting a petition campaign demanding that the camp stay. We
could initiate the petition when outreach is done for the event and canvass
for the petition during the event.
I have been following the conversation regarding the event for the last 3
days and hope to find a way that I can contribute most effectively to this
event. It is clear that we face a troublesome dilemma. As an activist
having helped organize a number of events in the last 20 years I have
learned you need weeks to get the kind of commitment and turnout that will
generate media coverage if you want that. On the other hand we need to
build public support to protect the camp at Dewey square today. Assuming
the worst outcome of the Dec 1 hearing, and that the camp is taken down next
weekend, what would be the best date for the event and what should be the
focus of the event.
Paul Johnson
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[mailto:street-bounces+pjjohnson=comcast.net at lists.occupyboston.org] On
Behalf Of Joseph Ramsey
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:12 PM
To: Theresa; street
Subject: Re: [Street] Summary of call re: pushing the event back
I actually think also we should see this march (on the 3rd!) as an
opportunity to build mass support to prevent the camp from being cleared.
(assuming they have not attacked us by the 3rd.)
In fact, I would argue that one thing we should be doing, through our
conversations, is LETTING EVERYONE IN THIS CITY KNOW HOW THEY CAN HELP US IN
THE EVENT OF A POLICE ASSAULT.
-Joe
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Theresa <theresa at occupyboston.org> wrote:
I think the 3rd is our best option....especially with the court hearing this
week. It is a way to keep momentum even if the camp gets cleared.
Please confirm the date. I start calls Monday morning
Quoting Occupy Eric <occupyeric at gmail.com>:
Point of Info: Students will likely have a hard time with a Dec 10 march.
Also, since this has been billed as a crowd-source event, us making the
decision to postpone the march isn't really in the spirit of this march, in
my opinion.
Solidarity!
Eric
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Brett West <heavyriser at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Joe,
Yes, word is out about this event for sure. Some who have been organizing
it feel that it may not be to late to postpone it and make it better by
doing so. You should bring these concerns to the meeting on Monday.
The more community support shows up on Monday the better the chances of
holding to the Dec. 3 date
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Joseph Ramsey <jgramsey at gmail.com> wrote:
The call for this action has already been issued, has it not? I
personally forwarded it to several lists today!
To postpone now is to sew confusion, isn't it?
Also, with the possibility of an immanent assault on Dewey Square very
real post Dec. 1, isn't it important to do this sort of aggressive outreach
and rallying of the community (in support of occupy generally, and in
defense of dewey in particular) sooner rather than later?
-Joe
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:33 PM, David Lamoso
<davidlamoso16 at gmail.com>wrote:
Joseph
The event there talking about is the Unity Day of Action ditributed
march on Dec 3. We are meeting on Monday at 5:00pm in 26 West st, Boston.
For details of it.
En Sokidaridad
DavidLamoso
Davidlamoso16 at gmail.com
Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone
Joseph Ramsey <jgramsey at gmail.com> wrote:
>Which "event" is being spoken of here?
>
>as a general point of process: It would be helpful if people made their
>referrents (whether to people, places, or events) clear in all emails.
Or
>at least in all *new* topic emails.
>
> So many people are constantly coming into our conversations in the
middle
>that confusion is inevitable, especially if the "theys" "him"s "her"s
and
>"this"s arent't explicit throughout.
>
>Best,
>Joe
>
>On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Ravi Mishra <ravi at occupyboston.org>
wrote:
>
>> We had about 6-8 people on the call. We pretty quickly decided that
the
>> two dates were going to be the 3rd or one week later, the 10th. There
were
>> a lot of reasons to keep the march on the 3rd that David, Michael, and
>> Simon went into. From what I remember, Katie voiced her concerns and
seemed
>> undecided. Brett seemed convinced to keep it on the 3rd.
>>
>> I thought it would be useful to keep the conversation going,
especially as
>> I'm pretty in favor of pushing it back and giving us an extra week. I
>> wanted to go into my reasoning below, and start a thread so we could
>> discuss. We made no conclusion other than to bring it up on Monday at
the
>> meeting, first thing. Without further ado, why I think we should push
it
>> back:
>>
>> 1) The "open source" piece of demonstrations is just doesn't have
enough
>> momentum behind it. To me, the promise of this event is that we
empower
>> individuals to use their creativity to come up with novel types of
actions
>> - hopefully ones that, long term, serve as a blueprint for more
effective
>> demonstrations in the future. Right now, we have very few actions
listed (
>>
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah3pFB7dtoJJdERLcDU3WG1WMHpaSDZ
keE03X1d4SHc
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah3pFB7dtoJJdERLcDU3WG1WMHpaSD
ZkeE03X1d4SHc&hl=en_US#gid=0> &hl=en_US#gid=0
)
>> - people knew to the concept of the event are hearing about it and
then
>> seeing us not have any cool, crowdsourced events planned. Further,
we've
>> made none of the materials we talked about - the flyers about the
various
>> issues, personal stories, etc.
>>
>> 2) The rally. As far as I know, we have nothing planned, nor have we
>> reached out to the police or done much prep work.
>>
>> 3) Community orgs - outside of a handful, we haven't really reached
out to
>> many. Judging by the reaction of the ones we have reached out to,
having
>> more time to do more outreach could be huge.
>>
>> 4) The amount we gain is much more than the amount we lose.
Ultimately, I
>> don't think pushing it back really has much downside - people are
listening
>> to us, and we can easily get the message out (and spin it as a
positive for
>> us: we have a lot of interest and we want to give both the various
>> communities and ourselves more time to prepare a great event - Simon's
>> great idea for how we could frame it). And more time gives us some
>> breathing room to make sure we pull off a great event.
>>
>> *Ultimately, the beauty of this event, in my mind, is that first that
we
>> would take over the city with a variety of demonstrations, and
second, that
>> we would create a culture of innovation when it comes to actions, and
get
>> people thinking about how to make them more effective, informative,
and fun.
>> * Right now, with the event 8 days away, I feel like an extra week
would
>> be a great idea.
>>
>> Finally, I think I speak for everyone on the call when I say that,
>> whatever the final decision, we'll be diving in 100% to make this a
great
>> event.
>>
>> --
>> Ravi
>>
>>
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