[Ob-media-multi] [Ob-media-external] [Ob-media] IMPORTANT: Cancelling Today's Meeting and an Important Conversation to Come About the Structure of Media WG

Gregory Murphy gsjmurphy at gmail.com
Wed Apr 18 00:00:45 EDT 2012


I completely understand that position and feeling, Joshua.  I think many of
us in Facilitation may feel the same way.  There is no conscious intention
to become insular and one has OB's best interest, at heart . . . yet, it
happens.


Greg

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Joshua Eaton <jeaton at post.harvard.edu>wrote:

> Dear All (and Greg, especially),
>
> Sorry to have been so short. I can completely understand why folks would
> say that Media is in insular center of power; my frustration with someone
> saying that is just that actually being in Media feels incredibly
> *disempowering.* Does that make any sense?
>
> Best,
> Joshua
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Gregory Murphy <gsjmurphy at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> yes, sitting an talking is good . . . email is a tough medium, as we know
>> . .
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Jorge Alvarez <eghm627 at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have to agree, but I don't think it's being done in a nefarious
>>> manner.
>>>
>>> Greg, and he must speak for himself, is attempting to hold us all
>>> accountable.
>>>
>>> But I don't  think he and others are as sensitive as they could
>>> potentially be to how oppressively they are acting towards their comrades
>>> in attempting to counteract oppression. It's a very difficult balancing act
>>> and he admittedly says we're in difficult and uncharted territory.
>>>
>>> Aggressive indictments of power insularity, oppression and equity can be
>>> used as a bludgeon and I think that is what some of us (at GAs, FWG, Media,
>>> et al.) are feeling.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, even as a Hispanic man who grew up in modest means, I feel
>>> oppressed by Anti-Oppression as recently at OB.
>>>
>>> Greg, we all have to sit and talk about this.
>>>
>>> This thread should go out widely, but I don't know how to not spam
>>> people who don't desire to be part of this conversation or even if it's
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>> With peace,
>>> Jorge
>>> eghm627 at mac.com
>>>
>>> This email was composed on my IPhone. Please excuse any errors.
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Deborah Sirotkin Butler <amberpaw at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Joshua - I think it is this kind of comment and this kind of perception
>>> which is causing so many to want to quit, when we see ourselves not as a
>>> "power center' but as infrastructure, and serving a community.  Deb
>>> Sirotkin Butler
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Joshua Eaton <jeaton at post.harvard.edu>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure I appreciate the suggestion that Media has become an
>>>> "insular power center."
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Gregory Murphy <gsjmurphy at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> it's a fascinating study - the insular power centers in OB which
>>>>> inadvertently and unintentionally develop as we dedicate ourselves to doing
>>>>> the best job possible, yet often end up replicating the dominant structures
>>>>> we assembled to oppose - this horizontal democracy stuff sure is
>>>>> challenging!
>>>>>
>>>>> GM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Deborah Sirotkin Butler <
>>>>> amberpaw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 to cancelimg today's Media meeting.  Maybe a focused GA to
>>>>>> facilitate the evolution of OB media like the GA that focused on FAWG would
>>>>>> be good horizontal democracy to best handle those. As for me I have felt
>>>>>> honored to ne part of the hard working and under appreciated media wg
>>>>>> Deb amberpaw on droid
>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2012 12:29 PM, "Dan" <dcheeno at occupyboston.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Good afternoon Media WG,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As many of you may already be aware, several members of Media WG
>>>>>>> have, over the past few days, discovered that we possess a shared sense of
>>>>>>> dissatisfaction at the work that we do as a working group.  Furthermore,
>>>>>>> the Occupy Boston community has, to varying degrees, repeatedly expressed
>>>>>>> discomfort and frustration with our work; some groups and members of the
>>>>>>> community, in particular, have indicated that they feel disempowered by the
>>>>>>> current structures and policies that empower us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the past few days, conversations have ranged from: a desire
>>>>>>> amongst several of us to simply step back; to an idea of creating an
>>>>>>> unmanaged infrastructure that empowers working groups; to suggestions that
>>>>>>> Media WG be dissolved in the hopes that the wider Occupy Boston community
>>>>>>> could find a satisfactory way to manage Media WG's resources and access
>>>>>>> (and enough of us may want to step back that it would be unfair to leave
>>>>>>> those who don't want to step back to take on so much).  The point is,
>>>>>>> though, that many of us feel that we ought to / want to step back or
>>>>>>> significantly restructure the working group to address the concerns of the
>>>>>>> working group's members and of the OB community--and that, no matter what,
>>>>>>> a significant change is coming that will affect you, the working group, and
>>>>>>> the entire community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The purpose of this email, then, is to inform you (and, we realize,
>>>>>>> the entire community) that these conversations about things not really
>>>>>>> working for anyone are happening and to invite you to be a part of them at
>>>>>>> our next working group meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the meantime, today is a busy day and, because of the dismantling
>>>>>>> of Camp Charlie and Andy's service, it seems that the most appropriate
>>>>>>> thing to do at this late hour is to cancel today's meeting.  Temp check?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If today's regularly scheduled meeting is cancelled, though, it
>>>>>>> still seems that conversations about the role of Media WG are in order, and
>>>>>>> several of us will likely be around at Camp Charlie to have those
>>>>>>> conversations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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