Matt - I do not understand your use of the phrase "sketchy shadow government" in reference to a Spokescouncil which had OB buy-in and full participation. That is what I envision and am suggesting.<br><br>It is unfortunate that you've "been around organizing where one thing got decided at a meeting and that decision got changed behind closed doors." What is the relevance of raising that experience in this dialogue,  I am not advocating for that and am unsure why you use it as an argument against SC. It seems an inappropriate analogy.  Where are the "closed doors" in a Spokescouncil?<br>
<br><br>Greg<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Matt Carroll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com">mattbcarroll@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>If you can speak for yourself and aren't required to filter that through another group to be heard it's a better vehicle for discussing change. Having the change made using the tools already established in a space already established is above the board and easy to follow, and doesn't look like some sort of .</div>
<div><br></div><div>I've 's not good. Moving towards decisions being made by wgs and ags away from public meetings is moving towards that.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Matt<br>
<br><br></div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Apr 24, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Gregory Murphy <<a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div>Matt - going through GA , which most everyone, including the GA faithful feel needs major overhaul, to execute that major overhaul, seems to me a faulty reasoning or argument.<br><br>I disagree with your analysis, again:<br>

<br>Since so many people have dropped out of GA, the only continuity is the fact that GA keeps happening, and that the GA faithful keep attending.  (Please, this is observation, not a slight against anyone., I still attend GA, albeit, occasionally.)  <br>

<br>As per transparency - I do not understand your concern about that, at all.  Every SpokesCouncil meeting can be live-streamed, and minutes can be kept - in accordance with the hoped for level of transparency at a GA.  GAs are not inherently "more" transparent, in fact, I can't remember the last time a GA was live-streamed.<br>

<br>Greg<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Matt Carroll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mattbcarroll@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>It's a flawed process that works well enough to get things done, even if those things often get done in a slow and painful manner. Going through ga to change ga keeps continuity and is more transparent.</div>

<span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Matt<br><br><br></div></font></span><div><div><div><br>On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Anthony Bucci <<a href="mailto:abucci@occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:abucci@occupyboston.org" target="_blank">abucci@occupyboston.org</a>> wrote:<br>

<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_extra">A spokesouncil is, in essence, just a formalized, concurrent way of organizing the discussions that already happen in working groups and caucuses. There's nothing magical or mysterious about it. There's no added trauma either, only what individuals choose to bring into the room with them. The structure of the conversation does not encourage that any more than the general assembly structure does.<br>


<br>Perhaps more to the point, though, if the recognition is that the general assembly is a troubled process at the moment, why would anyone think that flawed process is able to fix itself? Isn't this one of those doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results moments? Hammer/nail?<br>


<br>Anthony<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Gregory Murphy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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Hi Carolyn,<br><br>I hear ya 'bout email conversation difficulty, so I will be brief.<br>
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I think many of us have an misconception about spokescouncils, and I 
don't think our experience with the M17 test helped clarify anything, in fact, I think it added to misinformation about SCs..  <br><br>I posit that a SC, if run properly, will elicit the <u>greatest possible # of direct voices</u> and perspectives. Now, not everyone will hear each voice stating its direct viewpoint, but each voice can and will be heard at a WG and AG level.  Would we not want 100s of voices to be heard, in this way, when making a decision. then only 30 to 50 voices at a GA?<br>



<br>Again - I am all for public discussion in as many venues as possible. I am advocating SC's as a decision making approach, to be started as the next step, after lots of public sharing of ideas.<br><br><br>Greg<br>


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<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Carolyn Magid <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cmagid@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:cmagid@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:cmagid@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmagid@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi all.  I find it difficult to have this conversation on email, but feel strongly enough about the issues to weigh in briefly.  If proposals I disagree with go forward, I'll have more to say then.</div>





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<div class="gmail_extra">I agree with Rich (and Greg?) that we should be deciding what to do about GAs as part of a more general discussion about directions for OB. I think it would be a serious mistake to cut back GAs without first having that discussion. </div>




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<div class="gmail_extra">Based on experience in many organizations, I don't think that it isn't easy to regain meeting times that are lost.  </div></li>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I agree with Matt C and Jorge on the need to come to major decisions for OB in a way that directly (not representatively) involves as many members as possible.  So I am against Greg's idea about creating a spokescouncil to make these decisions. A special assembly sounds fine to me.</div>




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<div class="gmail_quote">In solidarity,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Carolyn</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div><div>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Gregory Murphy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>



</div></div></div></div><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div><div>Matt - I certainly do not mean to exclude a dialog or conversation amongst any group of OB individuals. In fact, I encourage it. I encourage GA process be talked about and examined in as many settings, as possible.  I'd even like to see another community GA brainstorming session.  <br>




<br>I am recommending that SC be used as the <u>decision making model</u> for actually co-creating a new GA structure. Let as many discussions happen at every level, but I do not think bringing a proposal to GA serves the greater good, because not enough people will be present to sufficiently represent OB.<br>




<br>I firmly believe that we need as much representation as possible for this undertaking.  I firmly believe, that if the SC is structured well, with community buy-in and adherence to principles and values and ways of being, with enough time in the process for dialogue and consensus at both WG and AG levels, OB stands the best possible chance of success, when it comes to creating a new GA structure.<br>




<br><br>Greg 
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<div><br><br><br><br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Matt Carroll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mattbcarroll@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>


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<div>How is spokes possibly a better vehicle for discussion than a setting where people interact as individuals. A spokes council is clunky and is totally the wrong tool for the job.</div><span><font color="#888888">
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<div>Matt<br><br><br></div></font></span>
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<div><br>On Apr 23, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Gregory Murphy <<a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I agree with Rich's concern, and insight . . . and am going to push the envelope, here.  (PS - I have also read the other emails, sent after Rich sent his.)<br><br>May I suggest - and please no throwing tomatoes, nor stones  - that we call for a Spokescouncil specifically to address GA restructuring.  I am excited to realize that FWG (and others) has/have a lot of energy to address some of the ongoing difficulties of GA, both to "free" us from some difficult and challenging procedures, and to make it more "user friendly," inviting and inclusive.  That said, a SC focused on General Assembly would provide a much broader opportunity for participation and (hopefully) buy-in from the greater OB community.  And I think that broader participation is essential to the health of our community.<br>




<br>There was really good energy at that GA Community GA discussion, and it attracted attendance from more than just the ongoing GA core group. The GAPaP was one attempt to harness the energy and good ideas which arose in the meeting. When I asked what happened to that WG, I was told that it mostly consisted of FWG members (that was true at the meeting I attended), and failed to attract a broader constituency, and then fell apart - I am unsure of whether this was a conscious choice, or not.  Why was it that GAPaP did not take hold?<br>




<br>I think it great that FWG is collectively, and FWG members are individually, dedicated and inspired to make GA improvements. We all recognize that these are overdue and long time coming. That said, I think FWG is "stuck between a rock and a hard place," so to speak . . . in a sense, "damned if you do and damned if you don't."  Rightly or wrongly, there is a perception that FWG "controls" the process too much. And, I know that we are aware of that perception and have searched our collective souls, about how best to proceed . . . and at times, have felt paralyzed.  It seems that paralysis stage is over - bravo!  But why perpetuate that impression and possibly set the stage for the possible changes not being received well?  Why not open the process so more voices can help craft the coming changes, and not just the few who faithfully attend GA?  Why keep perpetuating the status quo of the GA centric?  <u>I do not think an FWG Proposal, nor an Individual Proposal is the best approach, at this time</u> . . . it is not in the best interest of OB - and I say that with the utmost respect for the intelligence, intention and dedication of my fellow FWG members. <br>




<br>I ask that we stop strategizing how best to bring the proposals to GA, and slow down, reach out to the broader community to create a General Assembly Spokescouncil (which could meet, once per week), and bring our creative ideas there, to be shared, reviewed, challenged, chewed over, added to . . . and reached consensus on, by the Community.<br>




<br><br>The M17 test SC developed the below values**, If the OB community can collectively agree to abide by them, and live them, meeting by Spokescouncil meeting, I think we can, together, as a community, create a stronger, more dynamic GA. I also hold out hope that such a process can begin to address and possibly help us move on from some of the divisions existing in our community.   We all saw the backlash that erupted when the folks behind the SC ( a coalition of GA and non GA adherents) brought forward the idea to test one - people's motivations were questioned and trust levels were non existent.  We need to move on from those daze and agree to try out another technology, with the best interest of OB at the center of why we do so.<br>




<br>Do I think the task for a GA specific SpokesCouncil is easy - no.<br><br>Do I think consensus is possible - absolutely!<br><br><br>Let us adhere these values, and also live by the guidelines offered by the Safer Spaces group in their AntiOppression proposal.<br>




<br><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><br></span></font><b><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><u>**All attending will commit to the following principles</u>: <br>




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</span></font><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><br>a) unity of purpose </span><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"></span></font><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><br>




<br>b) trust</span></font> 
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</ol><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"></span></font><br><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none">e) non-coercion</span></font> 
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<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">disagreement is healthy and necessary to motivate change </span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">conflict is desirable when it can be resolved cooperatively with respect, nonviolence, and creativity.</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">it is coercive to use power to dominate or control the process</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">maximum power to persuade should be the revealing of your present truth</span></font></li>




</ol><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"></span></font><br><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none">f) self-empowerment</span></font> 
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<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">delegation of decision-making authority is failure to accept responsibility</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">anyone can express concerns, seek creative solutions</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">everyone is responsible for every decision</span></font></li>




</ol><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"></span></font><br><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none">g) conflict resolution</span></font> 
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<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">conflict = disagreement, not battle</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">strengths & weaknesses of attitudes, assumptions, plans are highlighted by disagreement</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">use conflict to push self & group to self-assess, do not focus on other individuals</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">there is no ‘right’, only best for now for this group</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">avoid blaming - that attacks dignity, elicits guilt, defensiveness, alienation</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">people will hide truth to avoid blame & group loses ability to resolve conflicts</span></font></li>




</ol><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"></span></font><br><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none">h) commitment to the group</span></font> 
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<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">upon joining one accepts personal responsibility for respect, good will, honesty</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">recognize group’s needs have priority over individual desires</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">share responsibility for finding solutions to </span><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:italic;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">everyone’s </span><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">concerns</span></font></li>




</ol><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"></span></font><br><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none">i) active participation</span></font> 
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<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">create atmosphere in which every contribution is considered valuable and where disagreement can be expressed in a supportive environment</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">avoid belittling, eye-rolling, sighing, aggressive hand signals, and other means of diminishing</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">do not be attached to personal opinions or ideas</span></font></li>




</ol><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"></span></font><br><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none">j) equal access to power</span></font> 
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<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">consciously attempt to creatively share power, skills, information</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">avoid hierarchy</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">if at any point during the process any individual feels oppressed or offended by the language used by another individual, they may opt to say "ouch." At this point, the process will stop, and the individual will explain what it was that was hurtful and why. Another small pause will be observed, and the process will continue.</span></font></li>




</ol><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"></span></font><br><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;TEXT-DECORATION:none">k) patience</span></font> 
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<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">consensus cannot be rushed</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">difficult situations must be allowed time</span></font></li>





<li style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;LIST-STYLE-TYPE:lower-roman;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><font size="-0"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;VERTICAL-ALIGN:baseline;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">patience is more advantageous than urgency</span></font></li>




</ol><br><br>REMEMBER - the SpokeCouncil model employed should build in time and respect for the flow of information: up from affinity and working groups to the SC, and then back down from the SC to AGs and WGs, continually, over and over, until consensus is reached. It is not just the people present at the SC who reach agreement on decisions, it is everyone participating in an OB WG and or AG, who has a say.<br>




<br>In solidarity,<br><br>Greg<br><br>PS  - I have included a bunch of OB groups, in this email<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br><br><br>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Richard Levy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richlevyus@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:richlevyus@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:richlevyus@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:richlevyus@yahoo.com" target="_blank">richlevyus@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>





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<div><span>I finally got a chance to look at this thread and have a few ideas/reactions</span></div>
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<div><span>I too am apprehensive about cutting down to 1 GA because 1. I do not necessarily believe that it would be likely/possible to get others back in the future (though not impossible) and 2. I don't believe that the other 'replacements/surrogates' for GA, that is SAA's and Community meetings, haven't been all that successful either.  This leads back to two wider issues: 1 that we will increase membership and participation (in a range of forms I believe) through more and larger actions on key issues and 2. within that the key to improving the GA is what we use it for (and this is linked to all the other restructuring proposals which I believe should be discussed as a whole before we make this type of decision and that discussion might start (but not conclude nor be restricted to) facilitation if there were a big meeting (or at least part of one - which is what I though we had agreed on last Wednesday ( but I could be wrong)) <br>




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<div><span>The idea of having GAs in Roxbury and other communities is a good one and it is very positive that POC is doing the planning for that, but since only the GA can call GAs, it would be necessary to bring such ideas before GA at a minimum <br>




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<div><span>it would seem that if we were having one 'regular non-neighborhood based' GA Sunday night might be a good night (better than Saturday I would expect) </span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b> Gregory Murphy <<a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>><br>

<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b> Jorge Alvarez <<a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank">eghm627@mac.com</a>> <br>




<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:Occupy-Boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Occupy-Boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Occupy-Boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Occupy-Boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">Occupy-Boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:occupy-boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:occupy-boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:occupy-boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:occupy-boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">occupy-boston-people-of-color-working-group@googlegroups.com</a>>; "<a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank">facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank">facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org</a>> <br>




<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 23, 2012 11:38 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Facilitation] Wed meeting and proposals on table<br></font></div>
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<div>I am pretty sure POC is looking to establish a weekly GA - but let's confirm<br><br><br>GM<br><br><br><br>
<div>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jorge Alvarez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank">eghm627@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>





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<div>My amendments:</div>
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<div>1. Hold 2 GAs not one. </div>
<div>2. Rotate the second GA through a number of communities, not just Roxbury, eg., East Boston has many people of color that are underrepresented and there are others, and we shouldn't forget the wider 99% in all surrounding neighborhoods. Yes, including in more affluent neighborhoods -- they desperately need the EDUCATION and ENLIGHTENMENT. </div>





<div>3. Rotate SAA weekly between Tuesdays an Thursdays.</div>
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<div>I prefer compromise where everyone cedes some ground and alienates the least. Otherwise, we're bound for more downward spiral and continuing to alienate some constituency that will eventually leave.</div>
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<div>I'm at the gym and it's not conducive to considered thought or feedback. I will provide more feedback later.</div>
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<div>My impression of Roxbury GAs was that they were to be occasional, not necessarily serially on the same night. </div>
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<div>This needs far wider discussion and consideration by ALL or as many as are willing to humanly participate, from every corner, TOGETHER. <br><br>With peace, 
<div>Jorge</div>
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<div><br>On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Matthew Hacker <<a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank">mh@occupyboston.org</a>> wrote:<br>




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<div>Hi Greg,<br><br>I'm aware that POC is planning to hold GAs in Roxbury, but as I've understood, through the grapevine, those GAs are a little ways off from being realized. It doesn't make sense to me to hold GAs in the meantime only to keep anyone from being conditioned to expect that night off. I keep thinking a little breathing room now would do everyone some good. I expect the organizers of the Roxbury GA will also want to use their own process, guidelines, etc. Yoking that project to the current schedule of GAs in OB members' minds seems like setting up for failure POC and the other groups working on a different model. Who knows, maybe cutting down on GAs now will refresh some of the enthusiasm for horizontal community decision-making that I don't really see except among the usual crowd in our current format.<br>




<br>Also, I need to say that it isn't a FWG proposal, and that's somewhat intentional. Among those of us who have dedicated a lot of time to the way GAs are run, I think there's bound to be a perspective on the GA that is rosier and more optimistic--at least regarding its potential to host a multiplicity of community interactions and conversations--than there is outside FWG. I'm wary of appearing to disregard the concerns and input of a group integrally tied to the success of GA, but I also believe this proposal shouldn't be filtered too heavily by that perspective before it reaches the broader discussion.<br>




<br>That said, I will continue to listen to concerns and will collaborate with anyone interested in amending the proposal. Particularly, I'd like to know what on what night POC is planning to hold GA in Roxbury, since my proposal moves Strategic Action Assembly to Tuesdays. <br>




<br>I would like to present the GA with the most radical option, and the one most necessary in my mind, before the decision is made that cutting to one GA is in excess of what serves the community.<br><br>Matt<br><br>
<div>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Gregory Murphy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>





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<br><br>Greg 
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<div>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Ariel Nicole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arieloboston@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:arieloboston@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:arieloboston@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:arieloboston@gmail.com" target="_blank">arieloboston@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>





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<div>Just because we decrease OB GA's now doesn't mean we couldn't end up adding back a GA in Roxbury if thats what happens....... </div>
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<div>I also think its not true that we cant add things back, that we will "never get them back" seems misguided to me... </div>
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<div>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Gregory Murphy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>




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<div>I have a concern about the idea of cutting GAs to one per week . . .  how does this thinking mesh with POC and the Allies intention to produce an OB sanctioned GA in Roxbury?  POC's thinking is to propose to move one of the existing GAs to Roxbury, e.g., Thursday night . . . I think  Matt C raises a legitimate concern, <i>"if we cut those days that we can all be in the same place at the same time, we're never going to get them back"  </i><br>




<br>If the one GA per week is in Roxbury, then I do not have a concern, but please know that POC is in the process of laying the groundwork for a Roxbury GA and is a few months away from being ready to start producing one. I am in favor of 2 GAs per week:  one downtown and one in Roxbury.<br>




<br>I have heard good support for a Roxbury GA from both GA attending folks and from those who do not currently attend GA. I advise caution in proceeding too far down this track. I urge that those in Facilitation who are pushing to decrease GAs to one per week to reach out to POC and talk.<br>




<br>I cc POC google group in this email.<br><br>Greg<br><br><br><br><br>
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<div>On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Matthew Hacker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank">mh@occupyboston.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>




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<div>Matt,</div>
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<div>I know there are concerns that dropping a GA means we can never get it back. My sense is that if we don't drop GAs now, we may never get back the people who feel that GA is intent on having GAs without actually representing the community in its decision-making. I think multiple GAs served a purpose when we were searching for shared space after Dewey in December, January and February. I think multiple GAs a week now presents an excuse to make decisions about things that aren't that important in the long run and to put off discussions and work around the role of the movement/organization in social justice work happening outside OB.</div>





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<div>GAs take a lot of energy both to administrate and to attend. I think good decision-making process has a place in the movement/organization. I also think we do ourselves a disservice by trying to maintain that process and a standard of horizontal democracy in which we can all take a lot of pride while running along from GA to GA every other day or so. We can try to make the GA friendlier, and perhaps the discussion proposal that just passed will do so, but I'm skeptical that productive, creative discussions are coming to a space that I often attend out of obligation.</div>





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<div>My hope is that someone finds productive community time for Thursday or Sunday that doesn't involve points of process. Potlucks, discussions, reading groups, trainings all seem like better uses of our time at the moment than plowing through solidarity proposals. But those other meetings that will fill up where the GA used to be seem pretty useful at this point too. I also have a hope, if not a conviction, that the quality of the items that end up on the GA's agenda will improve as the community comes to value GAs as more precious and representative events.</div>





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<div>So that's why I think it's important and necessary to bring this proposal. I expect a lot of concerns, and since I don't know what it would look like in the wake of a change like this, I'm pretty sure I won't be able to resolve them all. But I like to try things, and though I'm reticent about a lot of things because I don't think I have the experience or the knowledge to offer up a better way forward, I do feel like maneuvering around GA is a change the movement will make on its own, with or without formal consent in GA, and if we don't respond by doubling down on our efforts to serve that inclination by making the time we do set aside for community decisions more rare and meaningful, there won't be movement decisions to facilitate in any case.</div>





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<div>Look forward to getting feedback.</div>
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<div>All the best,</div>
<div>Matt 
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<div>On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Matt Carroll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mattbcarroll@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mattbcarroll@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>





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<div>So - are we having a long meeting Wednesday or what? I really want to have a discussion about all the current ga ideas on the table before we start changing ga more, because I think trying to make the best process out of these options and just making a total rewrite is a better way to approach it than bolting new parts on to the weird rube Goldberg device we already have.  I think we all know how this works well enough to make something that works better from the ground up. Make it simple, make it responsive, make it flexible.</div>





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<div>I also really don't think we should gut our ga schedule before we try this. Ga can be something much better, and if we cut those days that we can all be in the same place at the same time, we're never going to get them back. It'll fill up with other meetings in under 48 hours and people will pitch a fit about what's being donkey konged no matter what day you suggest or what time.</div>





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<div>Anyway, sorry if I'm coming off as frustrated but I've been trying to get this to happen for over a fortnight and we keep rolling our stack over and it never happens.</div>
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<div>Matt<br><br><br></div>
<div><br>On Apr 21, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Matthew Hacker <<a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mh@occupyboston.org" target="_blank">mh@occupyboston.org</a>> wrote:<br>




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<div>don't know if I'll be on time to the meeting, but if we talk about the GA page, maybe we can discuss how we would like the page hierarchy to look. as in, I think we can make a separate "Agenda" page under the General Assembly link pretty easily, and when new proposals are posted to the Agenda page we can also post it to Facebook. I imagine it would come up on the Facebook page as 'Agenda' each time something new was posted (and we can choose to check or uncheck posting to Facebook as necessary), which would work kind of like the text alerts Greg was suggesting in his proposal, but on more of a rolling basis. 
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<div>oh wait, did I just suggest an agenda item for a meeting I don't know I'll be attending? maybe that's bad form. if I can't be there, I'll bring it up another time. </div>
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<div>see you all at GA!<br><br>
<div>On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Jorge Alvarez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eghm627@mac.com" target="_blank">eghm627@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>





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