<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I do think it is confusing for now, and will likely remain so until after this new group meets and figures out its scope and how it might relate to FWG. I joined FWG a couple of months ago in hopes of having more in-depth stepping-back discussions of GA process. That happens rarely, in spurts, for reasons ranging from time constraints to other priorities to lack of shared interest. This new group seems more focused on that big picture, and I think is less likely to get sidetracked by regular maintenance issues. As I see it, it also has the advantage of attracting a broader group of people than FWG, people who want to imagine at greater length what GA might be without the restrictions of taking what we have now as the starting point.</div><div><br></div><div>A number of FWG members are also members of this new group, so I think there will be significant linkage between what the two groups do and some useful cross-fertilization and perhaps some joint meetings. I suspect that FWG will continue to prioritize decision-making process, and this new group (GAPAP?) might spend more time than GA on non-proposal issues such as what else might happen at GA. Clearly, any suggestions that come out of the new group would have to be presented to GA for discussion and go through the approval process.</div><div><br></div>In response to Charlie's question, I think Facilitation and Consensus members who want to be on this new list should sign on individually, since not everyone in those groups might want the extra email. <div><br></div><div>Dennis</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Patricia Downer wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Sorry for my continued confusion...this is what happens when one misses discussions. :( Am I correct that FWG will no longer be handling/discussing process of GA? What will FWG be discussing/doing then...just who will facilitate next meetings and/or issues like the definition of quorum? Then this GA process and purpose WG will discuss the bigger picture things?<br>
<br>If so, that makes me sad because I really don't have a lot of time to devote to Occupy right now. I am interested in both things, but doubt I'll be able to balance going to both WG meetings. I liked being able to go to one meeting to get all sorts of things (plus I'm a bit confused how things would be handled when things sorta overlap...I feel like there's a lot of possibility for FWG and this new GA process WG to sometimes be doing/discussing/thinking about things that will be conflicting). But I guess that's what happens when you miss a few meetings and/or don't have time to keep up with emails...discussions are had and decisions are made without you. :(<br>
<br>When and where is this new WG meeting? Is FWG still meeting at the same times?<br><br>Thanks for helping me understand what's going on.<br><br clear="all">Patricia Downer<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Gregory Murphy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi charlie - there was OB wide agreement, several months ago, for all WGs to use mayfirst . . .<br><br>sorry you've experienced a delay<br>
<br>I am ccing a couple of folks from OBIT who can guide you to setting up a mayfirst lst<br>
<br><br>Best,<br><br>Greg<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Patricia Downer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patricia.downer@gmail.com" target="_blank">patricia.downer@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div><div class="h5">Maybe it's because I haven't kept up with emails very well lately and miss some meetings, but I am confused what this new mailing list is for? Is it to replace FWG mailing list? Is it to be used when trying to contact members from both FWG and Consensus at once? Something else entirely? I am very confused. Sorry.<br>
<br>Also, why didn't we use an OB list for this like everything else?<br><br>Thanks!<br><br clear="all">Patricia Downer<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Charlie DeTar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cfd@fohn.org" target="_blank">cfd@fohn.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div><div>Hey folks,<br>
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We have a mailing list! I wasn't ever able to get in touch with someone<br>
about setting up one of the mayfirst lists, so I set up a riseup list.<br>
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<a href="mailto:ga-process-and-purpose@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">ga-process-and-purpose@lists.riseup.net</a><br>
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We could switch to mayfirst in the future if it matters.<br>
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Also: I didn't subscribe <a href="mailto:facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank">facilitation@lists.occupyboston.org</a> or<br>
<a href="mailto:consensus@lists.occupyboston.org" target="_blank">consensus@lists.occupyboston.org</a> to this list -- perhaps it's best for<br>
members of those lists to subscribe individually?<br>
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The list info page is here if you want to sign up:<br>
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<a href="https://lists.riseup.net/www/info/ga-process-and-purpose" target="_blank">https://lists.riseup.net/www/info/ga-process-and-purpose</a><br>
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best,<br>
Charlie<br></div></div>
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