[Consensus] [Facilitation] [Spokes] A Consensus Weekend Retreat
Gregory Murphy
gsjmurphy at gmail.com
Mon Feb 20 14:49:06 EST 2012
this issue was put to bed, awhile ago - I spoke with Nunes who confirmed
that no physical contact was made by either party and that apologies were
exchanged, later that night
Greg
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Nicole Sullivan
<nicole_sullivan at live.com>wrote:
> To those who are concerned about CT Butler:
>
> I cannot speak for anyone but myself. I was there the night where people
> claimed he shoved/ choked an occupy boston member.
>
> I was trying to convince DA to not lead the march through the middle of
> GA, I was standing about 5 ft from the incident. I saw CT Butlet approach
> the individual with his hands in the air, people started crowding around
> and I saw the individual shove CT Butler. I personally did not see him lay
> a hand on anyone.
>
> I cannot say I am 100 percent sure on what happened, I was trying to
> manage a really difficult situation. I just want to give my perspective,
> since what I saw seems to be very different than other reports.
>
> Nicole
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> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jorge Alvarez <eghm627 at mac.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:28:11
> To: <abucci at occupyboston.org>
> Cc: <consensus at lists.occupyboston.org>; <spokes at lists.occupyboston.org>; <
> facilitation at lists.occupyboston.org>
> Subject: Re: [Facilitation] [Consensus] [Spokes] A Consensus Weekend
> Retreat
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> so much for anti-oppression work...
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> thanks for the "heads up!"
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> With peace,
> Jorge Alvarez
> eghm627 at mac.com <mailto:eghm627 at mac.com>
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> This email was composed on a mobile device. Please excuse any errors.
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> On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Anthony Bucci wrote:
> POI: I've recently heard yet another not-so-flattering story about Butler
> from a friend of mine. Unsolicited, he told me he was once at an event in
> which Butler sat down at a table with him and made so many "inappropriate
> comments" (as my friend called them) to people, especially women
> apparently, that he was asked to leave the table. I can put anyone
> interested in touch with this friend to get a firsthand account.
>
> Anthony
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> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Gregory Murphy <gsjmurphy at gmail.com<mailto:
> gsjmurphy at gmail.com> > wrote:
> Consensus, Spokes and Facilitation,
>
> I am resending this email about a Consensus Workshop, next weekend on Long
> Island. In response to my request for a payment plan, C. T. agreed to
> accept 3 monthly payments of $83.33, and also informed me that this offer
> is available to anyone else from Boston, who may want to attend. Allison
> and I both want to participate, and I encourage our friends and colleagues
> who are interested in consensus to join us, for this weekend outing. We do
> not have a car, so most probably will avail ourselves of MegaBus. We just
> need to figure out childcare for our daughter.
>
> I also share two comments from recent emails, from C. T.. He has recently
> bought an old RV, and he and colleagues are planning to embark on a
> national tour of Occupations, in response to many invitations from around
> the country. They are in the midst of some initial fundraising to get
> themselves on the road, after which they feel they can sustain the tour
> through workshops and book sales.
>
> "Long Island is called long because it is. My friend (and patron, he
> subsidized the writing of Consensus for Cities and it is dedicated to him)
> lives in Manorville which is one and a half hours from NYC, almost to the
> eastern end, just short of the Hamptons. This workshop is being subsidized
> by my friend. He is providing the housing at no cost to me and the food at
> cost. (His wife is a graduate of a vegetarian culinary institute in NYC I
> do not remember the name of and she will be doing all the cooking.) The
> idea was to raise money for the tour. "
>
> "Also, the folks we listed as references in the email really do want to
> hear from interested folks. They had a powerful experience and they would
> enjoy sharing it. They didn't just say "yes, I'll be a reference" they
> enthusiastically encouraged me to have people to call them. Frankly, I was
> quite surprised and pleased, after two weeks had passed and those
> post-workshop feelings had dissipated (I would have thought).
>
>
> I do realize that some of us have quite strong feelings about Mr. Butler,
> and to some he is a controversial figure, and that there are other
> proponents and models of consensus. I have certainly begun to expand my
> reading list. That said, I find myself drawn to his work, and want to learn
> more to test my strong belief that consensus would be a good model for
> Boston to embrace. Please know I am doing some fundraising to sponsor C.T.
> for another trip to Boston, but am unsure of the timing, and if it will
> even happen.
>
> C. T. is also offering a discount to any one of us attends, and who
> recruits someone else to attend. Call me for more info. Please forward
> this email to anyone you think may be interested. I think the timing is
> perfect, as we experiment internally with using consensus at Spokescouncil
> meetings, and as Facilitation is encouraging a broad conversation about
> process.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Greg
> 617.413.6472 <tel:617.413.6472>
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: C.T. Butler <ctbutler at together.net <mailto:ctbutler at together.net> >
> Date: Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM
> Subject: Weariness in Occupyland
> To: Gregory Murphy <gsjmurphy at gmail.com <mailto:gsjmurphy at gmail.com> >
>
>
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> [Greg, be sure to check out my answers to Sati's questions attached
> below. I strongly encourage you to consider attending this workshop so you
> know firsthand what I am teaching. C.T.]
>
>
> There's a lot of weariness out there in Occupyland this winter. Are you
> bunkered in, wondering how such diverse people will ever practice direct
> democracy? Are you discouraged, or already taking a break? Has your GA
> shrunk down to the loud cowboy voices and the peacekeepers trying to
> placate them? How did we know, you ask?
>
>
> Wren and I have been experiencing the same stew of elation, hope,
> consternation and frustration that many of you have shared with us in
> person, by phone and in emails. Occupy is our baby, too, and we are as
> deeply invested in its success as you.
>
>
> This is why I'm urgently inviting you to Fiopa Consensus
> Collective's Consensus: Body & Soul workshop, February 24-26, on Long
> Island, NY. The reason I want you to attend is that I believe, with all my
> heart, that value-based consensus process is a revolutionary decisionmaking
> process unlike the consensus process you have seen so far.
>
>
> The following questions are typical of what we've been asked. These came
> from Sati, of OWS:
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> What do you do when you suspect there are plants in a group that would
> like the group not to reach consensus - it would like the group to fail to
> make any decisions?
> What do you do when a group of people who are just too emotional, they
> start shouting at each other?
> Consensus appears to fail even in a small group of people, how can we
> expect it to work in a large group of people like cities? They can't even
> gather together in one place. It seems to me that representative governance
> just cannot be avoided. Once the group of representatives is down to around
> 10 or so, we could possibly think of consensus. But even in that situation,
> the interest of the super-rich is diagonally opposite to that of poor. How
> are they going to reconcile with each other?
> [My responses are attached at the bottom of this email.]
>
>
> From our experience with groups that do ongoing deep work with this model
> for years, we know that consensus can address and resolve the serious
> problems the Occupy movement encountered with direct democracy. However,
> you do not have to take our word for this. Fiopa Collective recently taught
> this workshop to activists from Occupy Baltimore. Please feel free to
> contact the attendees below and hear directly from them what they
> experienced:
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> Zak Wear . zakwear at gmail.com <mailto:zakwear at gmail.com> . 410.570.9322<tel:
> 410.570.9322> (graduate of Gilford College, a Quaker college)
> Jenny Graf . jennygrafsheppard at gmail.com <mailto:
> jennygrafsheppard at gmail.com> . 240.893.2239 <tel:240.893.2239>
> Ed Boicourt . eboicourt at gmail.com <mailto:eboicourt at gmail.com> .
> 443.677.9308 <tel:443.677.9308>
> Lane Berck . 410.727.1880 <tel:410.727.1880> (leave message loudly and
> twice)
> The 2-day workshop on consensus will be held on Long Island (Manorville,
> NY) Feb 24-26 (Friday evening to Sunday). It is accessible by the LIRR from
> Penn Station to Mastic/Shirley or Patchogue (~$34 round-trip). We will
> provide transportation from the train station to the venue. The host is an
> experienced vegetarian chef. She will be providing light fare on Friday and
> three meals Saturday & Sunday. We encourage folks to arrive Friday evening
> whenever they can. Sessions will be 9am till 5pm both Saturday & Sunday.
> All sessions will be held in a huge private home complete with hot tub. The
> entire package is only $250/person, including tuition, room & board
> (gourmet vegetarian food & indoor camping)! If you or anyone you know wants
> a deep immersion in value-based consensus in an excellent environment, this
> would be the one to attend. It promises to be an amazing experience! Please
> print the brochure attached below and fill out and mail the registration
> form or call Wren @ 410.458.2310 <tel:410.458.2310> for questions or to
> register.
> Again, I believe this work is an essential part of the change we all want
> to see in our country. We need to learn how to make direct democracy work
> for real. This is imperative. We cannot fail. To fail is to perish. Please
> spread the word.
> C.T. Butler
> 301.586.2560 <tel:301.586.2560>
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