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Yeah, but just like I don't think that anyone should be making money
from these OB lists, I feel like advertising someone's services, as
important as they may be, just isn't right. I mean why shouldn't I
advertise my services? Because of what a homeless guy said to me
once. He said, "you guys are "using" me". He said that he feels
like professional party (and revolution) coordinators are "using"
the strife on the streets to make money off of his struggling. He
said, if you're going to make a buck doing this work, then I want a
buck to hold this sign. It's a point that's worth considering,
IMHO. Using the urgency of "the movement" as a reason not to bother
to stop and do things ethically seems very wrong to me. It's one
thing to move fast. It's one thing to coordinate. And plan. And do
radical stuff to "solve problems". But I thought this was a
volunteer gig. Not a volunteer gig, where we get donations and give
them to pros, or use our name to advertise service over our lists,
etc. I'm convincing a ton of people to keep working on this for
free. To use our lists to advertise someone else's revenue
generating business is beyond the pale, whether he touched himself
or someone else or not.<br>
<br>
I'm sorry to take a hard stance on this. But I really don't think
we should be advertising anything but our own events. If he wants
to come volunteer his time to come tell us magical secrets about
touching the stars, I'll help advertise the event, whether or not
he's touched.<br>
<br>
Beyond that, roger over and out.<br>
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On 2/20/2012 2:49 PM, Gregory Murphy wrote:
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cite="mid:CAOjvX2mu+1veCDrKRP6OpeK6wkY32DtuL+cmBu7T3urGbSDxGA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">this issue was put to bed, awhile ago - I spoke with
Nunes who confirmed that no physical contact was made by either
party and that apologies were exchanged, later that night<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Nicole Sullivan <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nicole_sullivan@live.com">nicole_sullivan@live.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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To those who are concerned about CT Butler:<br>
<br>
I cannot speak for anyone but myself. I was there the night
where people claimed he shoved/ choked an occupy boston
member.<br>
<br>
I was trying to convince DA to not lead the march through the
middle of GA, I was standing about 5 ft from the incident. I
saw CT Butlet approach the individual with his hands in the
air, people started crowding around and I saw the individual
shove CT Butler. I personally did not see him lay a hand on
anyone.<br>
<br>
I cannot say I am 100 percent sure on what happened, I was
trying to manage a really difficult situation. I just want to
give my perspective, since what I saw seems to be very
different than other reports.<br>
<br>
Nicole<br>
<br>
<br>
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:28:11<br>
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Subject: Re: [Facilitation] [Consensus] [Spokes] A Consensus
Weekend Retreat<br>
<br>
so much for anti-oppression work...<br>
<br>
<br>
thanks for the "heads up!"<br>
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With peace,<br>
Jorge Alvarez<br>
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any errors.<br>
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On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Anthony Bucci wrote:<br>
POI: I've recently heard yet another not-so-flattering story
about Butler from a friend of mine. Unsolicited, he told me
he was once at an event in which Butler sat down at a table
with him and made so many "inappropriate comments" (as my
friend called them) to people, especially women apparently,
that he was asked to leave the table. I can put anyone
interested in touch with this friend to get a firsthand
account.<br>
<br>
Anthony<br>
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<div class="im">On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Gregory
Murphy <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gsjmurphy@gmail.com">gsjmurphy@gmail.com</a>>
> wrote:<br>
Consensus, Spokes and Facilitation,<br>
<br>
I am resending this email about a Consensus Workshop, next
weekend on Long Island. In response to my request for a
payment plan, C. T. agreed to accept 3 monthly payments of
$83.33, and also informed me that this offer is available to
anyone else from Boston, who may want to attend. Allison and
I both want to participate, and I encourage our friends and
colleagues who are interested in consensus to join us, for
this weekend outing. We do not have a car, so most probably
will avail ourselves of MegaBus. We just need to figure out
childcare for our daughter.<br>
<br>
I also share two comments from recent emails, from C. T.. He
has recently bought an old RV, and he and colleagues are
planning to embark on a national tour of Occupations, in
response to many invitations from around the country. They
are in the midst of some initial fundraising to get
themselves on the road, after which they feel they can
sustain the tour through workshops and book sales.<br>
<br>
"Long Island is called long because it is. My friend (and
patron, he subsidized the writing of Consensus for Cities
and it is dedicated to him) lives in Manorville which is one
and a half hours from NYC, almost to the eastern end, just
short of the Hamptons. This workshop is being subsidized by
my friend. He is providing the housing at no cost to me and
the food at cost. (His wife is a graduate of a vegetarian
culinary institute in NYC I do not remember the name of and
she will be doing all the cooking.) The idea was to raise
money for the tour. "<br>
<br>
"Also, the folks we listed as references in the email really
do want to hear from interested folks. They had a powerful
experience and they would enjoy sharing it. They didn't just
say "yes, I'll be a reference" they enthusiastically
encouraged me to have people to call them. Frankly, I was
quite surprised and pleased, after two weeks had passed and
those post-workshop feelings had dissipated (I would have
thought).<br>
<br>
<br>
I do realize that some of us have quite strong feelings
about Mr. Butler, and to some he is a controversial figure,
and that there are other proponents and models of consensus.
I have certainly begun to expand my reading list. That said,
I find myself drawn to his work, and want to learn more to
test my strong belief that consensus would be a good model
for Boston to embrace. Please know I am doing some
fundraising to sponsor C.T. for another trip to Boston, but
am unsure of the timing, and if it will even happen.<br>
<br>
C. T. is also offering a discount to any one of us attends,
and who recruits someone else to attend. Call me for more
info. Please forward this email to anyone you think may be
interested. I think the timing is perfect, as we experiment
internally with using consensus at Spokescouncil meetings,
and as Facilitation is encouraging a broad conversation
about process.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
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Date: Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM<br>
Subject: Weariness in Occupyland<br>
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<div class="im">To: Gregory Murphy <<a
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<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
[Greg, be sure to check out my answers to Sati's questions
attached below. I strongly encourage you to consider
attending this workshop so you know firsthand what I am
teaching. C.T.]<br>
<br>
<br>
There's a lot of weariness out there in Occupyland this
winter. Are you bunkered in, wondering how such diverse
people will ever practice direct democracy? Are you
discouraged, or already taking a break? Has your GA shrunk
down to the loud cowboy voices and the peacekeepers trying
to placate them? How did we know, you ask?<br>
<br>
<br>
Wren and I have been experiencing the same stew of elation,
hope, consternation and frustration that many of you have
shared with us in person, by phone and in emails. Occupy is
our baby, too, and we are as deeply invested in its success
as you.<br>
<br>
<br>
This is why I'm urgently inviting you to Fiopa Consensus
Collective's Consensus: Body & Soul workshop, February
24-26, on Long Island, NY. The reason I want you to attend
is that I believe, with all my heart, that value-based
consensus process is a revolutionary decisionmaking process
unlike the consensus process you have seen so far. <br>
<br>
<br>
The following questions are typical of what we've been
asked. These came from Sati, of OWS:<br>
<br>
<br>
What do you do when you suspect there are plants in a group
that would like the group not to reach consensus - it would
like the group to fail to make any decisions?<br>
What do you do when a group of people who are just too
emotional, they start shouting at each other?<br>
Consensus appears to fail even in a small group of people,
how can we expect it to work in a large group of people like
cities? They can't even gather together in one place. It
seems to me that representative governance just cannot be
avoided. Once the group of representatives is down to around
10 or so, we could possibly think of consensus. But even in
that situation, the interest of the super-rich is diagonally
opposite to that of poor. How are they going to reconcile
with each other?<br>
[My responses are attached at the bottom of this email.]<br>
<br>
<br>
From our experience with groups that do ongoing deep work
with this model for years, we know that consensus can
address and resolve the serious problems the Occupy movement
encountered with direct democracy. However, you do not have
to take our word for this. Fiopa Collective recently taught
this workshop to activists from Occupy Baltimore. Please
feel free to contact the attendees below and hear directly
from them what they experienced:<br>
<br>
<br>
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Zak Wear . <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:zakwear@gmail.com">zakwear@gmail.com</a>> .
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value="+14105709322">410.570.9322</a> <tel:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:410.570.9322"
value="+14105709322">410.570.9322</a>> (graduate of
Gilford College, a Quaker college)<br>
Jenny Graf . <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jennygrafsheppard@gmail.com">jennygrafsheppard@gmail.com</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:240.893.2239"
value="+12408932239">240.893.2239</a> <tel:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:240.893.2239"
value="+12408932239">240.893.2239</a>><br>
Ed Boicourt . <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:eboicourt@gmail.com">eboicourt@gmail.com</a>>
. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:443.677.9308"
value="+14436779308">443.677.9308</a> <tel:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:443.677.9308"
value="+14436779308">443.677.9308</a>><br>
Lane Berck . <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:410.727.1880" value="+14107271880">410.727.1880</a>
<tel:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:410.727.1880"
value="+14107271880">410.727.1880</a>> (leave message
loudly and twice)<br>
The 2-day workshop on consensus will be held on Long Island
(Manorville, NY) Feb 24-26 (Friday evening to Sunday). It is
accessible by the LIRR from Penn Station to Mastic/Shirley or
Patchogue (~$34 round-trip). We will provide transportation
from the train station to the venue. The host is an
experienced vegetarian chef. She will be providing light fare
on Friday and three meals Saturday & Sunday. We encourage
folks to arrive Friday evening whenever they can. Sessions
will be 9am till 5pm both Saturday & Sunday. All sessions
will be held in a huge private home complete with hot tub. The
entire package is only $250/person, including tuition, room
& board (gourmet vegetarian food & indoor camping)! If
you or anyone you know wants a deep immersion in value-based
consensus in an excellent environment, this would be the one
to attend. It promises to be an amazing experience! Please
print the brochure attached below and fill out and mail the
registration form or call Wren @ <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:410.458.2310" value="+14104582310">410.458.2310</a>
<tel:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:410.458.2310"
value="+14104582310">410.458.2310</a>> for questions or
to register.<br>
<div class="im">Again, I believe this work is an essential
part of the change we all want to see in our country. We
need to learn how to make direct democracy work for real.
This is imperative. We cannot fail. To fail is to perish.
Please spread the word.<br>
C.T. Butler<br>
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