[Consensus] Fwd: [GAPaP] yesterday's meeting?

Terra Friedrichs terraf at compuserve.com
Sat Mar 3 13:24:43 EST 2012


Thanks. Helpful.

Would like to eventually see an "information flow" so that the beginner 
can see a consistent predictable set of steps to get a proposal passed.

Would like several tracks depending on the topic.  Like if it's to get 
OB solidarity statement for an action/march, it's one track.  If it's a 
proposal for money, another track.  If it's to declare a "principle of 
which we stand for", another track.  Mike and I developed the concept 
last night on the phone.  He'll be talking about it, I believe.

I'll jot my notes, if for no other purpose than to remember what I thought.

Perhaps have different "certain times" for different tracks.  So at 
7:30, the money proposals start.  At 8:00, the march/action proposals 
start.  And then the ideas type principle wagglers can talk infinitum, 
or til the building closes at the end.  It's to separate the different 
parts of the brain.

Like when I'm on the action track, the last thing I want to do is sit 
still for a long principled discussion. I just want to know if my 
event/press release is good to go.  Same if I want money.  When I'm not 
working on a specific event, and my brain is in "ideas" mode, I want a 
patient, thoughtful conversation the results in principled statements.  
Perhaps if a proposal in one of the other tracks isn't mature enough or 
people don't think it fits within an existing principle, it can get 
"bounced" to the ideas track, maybe a fourth track could be for proposal 
workshopping.  But short stuff, like temp checks and 5 minutes per type 
of thing.  No endless discussion.  I can't take that at the GA level.  
And will leave the track and bushwack my own way around it...outside 
OB.  For OB to be "useful", it's got to be "functional".  It's got to be 
a "tool" for the activist, an incubator for the visionary, and a safe 
place for the injured...

Another idea would be for the march/action proposals to go right after 
announcements, where if you have an announcement for a march that is 
going to be considered for a solidarity statement, you skip the 
announcement and do it as part of the solidarity proposal.

I don't care.  I'd just like to know when things are happening, so I can 
both predictably "operate" as well as teach people who want to do 
whatever.  Our ability to oppress people is leveraged when we change the 
process constantly, so that only the insiders can figure out WTF the 
process is...

With all due respect...

Terra

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On 3/3/2012 12:30 PM, Gregory Murphy wrote:
> I forward GAPaP's minutes from the first meeting . . .  seven of us at 
> the first meeting
>
> GM
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Charlie DeTar* <cfd at fohn.org <mailto:cfd at fohn.org>>
> Date: Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [GAPaP] yesterday's meeting?
> To: Dennis Fox <denfox at gmail.com <mailto:denfox at gmail.com>>, 
> gapap at lists.occupyboston.org <mailto:gapap at lists.occupyboston.org>
>
>
> On 03/03/2012 10:06 AM, Dennis Fox wrote:
> > Did the group meet yesterday? Any notes? Next meeting?
>
> I just uploaded the notes.  They're here:
>
> http://wiki.occupyboston.org/wiki/GAPaP/2012Mar2 (also linked from the
> main GAPaP page, 
> http://wiki.occupyboston.org/wiki/GA_process_and_purpose )
>
> We didn't decide on a time for a next meeting yet.  Here's yet another
> scheduling poll to figure out a time.  I know these polls are super
> annoying and unfriendly, but it may still be the easiest thing to use.
> Ignore the specific days-of-the-month on this poll -- our goal is to
> come up with a regular meeting time.  So just pay attention to the time,
> and the day of the week. I included options for 4pm-9pm on weekdays and
> 9am-9pm on weekends.
>
> http://schedule.occupy.net/OB_GAPaP_regular_meeting_time/
>
> Also, here's a scratch pad for us to start working on an agenda for the
> next meeting:
>
> http://notes.occupy.net/p/LIGjTt074O
>
> best,
> Charlie
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